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[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Hi Joseph,

Surprised to see an EMCO aficionado ask a question about an SC4 headstock. I must be dreaming

I am spray painting part of the fence today. If I finish early, I will go over to the warehouse to get you the measurements you seek from the display model.

In the mean time, I am unsure about how many of these links you have seen…

• SC4 125mm Backplate – this allows you to put a 'standard' Chinese 125mm lathe chuck with 72mm lathe chuck onto the SC4, or ER32 125mm lathe collet chuck or ER40 125mm lathe collet chuck onto the SC4.
• the spares page show the spindle along with the front taper roller bearing (TRB) and the back ball bearing currently installed in the SC4 as standard.

Notes:

1. Using above, you can fit a 125mm Chinese chuck to the lathe, and it will be well supported with the TRB on the front. The bore through the spindle is limited to 20mm.
2. the slim chuck which Neil refers to is of Indian origin. you can fit that too after making a new register and mounting holes (PCD) to fit a modified backplate. Register and PCD on an Indian 125mm chuck is different from Chinese.
3. You are correct in asking the information about width of headstock, to check how well the spindle is supported. In my personal opinion, it should be longer to support a 125mm chuck, even though it would be supported by a TRB on the front. The TRB on the front is a 'slim' bearing 32007…. better for speed rather than load, but not a big issue for this size of lathe.
4. The speed and torque are controlled by correct programming of a chip on the circuit board, which in turn controls the brushless motor. So control is more electronic, rather than mechanical (this is the simplest way I can explain the set-up). So the mechanical load on the spindle due to increase in weight of a 125mm chuck will make the set-up perform differently from the standard set-up.

So, although the set-up works, as it does for Jim, and although ARC sell the backplate to enable use of a 125mm chuck of one description or another, and although it is well supported mechanically with a TRB; considering the the headstock width, and electronic control of speed and torque, as far as I am concerned, it would suggest the use of 125mm chucks to be limited to short periods of time.

Ketan at ARC

[Stuart Munro 1Participant @stuartmunro1]

Hi john,

I'm coming late to this debate, sorry. But I faced this very choice a couple of years ago. I went the Proxxon route and frankly it was a mistake.

I do very light engineering with plenty of brass and aluminium aluminium. The Proxxon looked on paper to be ideal but it lacks guts so is painfully slow to make parts with, and its size restricts it by and large to Proxxon consumables.

I bit the bullet and sold it, moving up to a Sherline. I have to move it out of my way frequently due to space restrictions so a 'liftable' machine was essential. The Sherline is easy to get hold of in the UK although it can sometimes take a week or two to get the parts. Mill Hill supplies of Basildon are the main importer and DPP -an online shipper from California – will list parts for you on eBay. (David, on [email protected] – or just enter Sherline milliing machine on eBay search)

My recommendation – get the DRO (easy after fit) and get a 10mm mill bit holder. You can then buy 10mm shank waldon bits from Arc Euro or ACCU.

Whilst I mostly mill Aly and Brass, I have milled mild steel and its just fine. Online videos show it machining a wide range of materials.

If you want to know more – happy to answer, Or talk to Kevin at Mill hill Supplies 01279 418300.

Regards

Stuart

[Ian Johnson 1Participant @ianjohnson1]

Not many companies sell ready made CNC mills for all the reasons Jason stated, Axminster and Arc Euro pulled out of the CNC market at around the same time for various reasons including support difficulties, people making their own from manual mills and a small market, they were both selling essentially the same machines too.

For hobbyists I can only think of Amadeal in the UK who are still selling CNC mills, with their Syil X5, but I think the operating system is Mach3 which is no longer supported by New Fangled Solutions, they only support the later Mach4 system. Worth checking this out though, if buying one!

Another hobby CNC manufacturer is Tormach in the USA, but I don't think there is a UK distributor. So options are a bit limited in the UK, so it seems like the best option is to make your own by converting a manual mill into a CNC.

Second hand factory made CNC mills seem to be thin on the ground too, I can't remember when I last saw a Sieg KX1 like mine for sale.

IanJ

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

If, as you say, you are completely new to milling. You would probably benefit from Jason's book ** Milling for Beginners **

John

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Bo'sun, my ER32 collection of collets only go down to 6mm, I use one of these ER11 collet chuck gripped in a 16mm collet to do smaller stuff and these collets are about 18mm long, although my 6mm ER32 collet has only 23mm that actually does the gripping. These collet chucks also give me much more room and easier to see where the tool is, when holding small cutters on my mini mill.

Here's an example of how much easier I find it using a ER11 collet chuck with a small cutter, on my mini mill, the ER11 is held in my normal collect chuck that is used on this mill.

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 31/03/2021 08:01:03

[John Smith 47Participant @johnsmith47]

TBH, as a novice, I'm feeling slighly out of my depth on all this.

Being able to cut mild seel is the entire point of my having a milling machine. But if I can't readily lift the machine off a table, maybe I should bale out now!

SIEG

SIEG – made in China, yes. Their website is awful. (I can't get the Specification tab to work, nor will the video play – not reassuring…)

==> SIEG SX1L Mill on ArcEurTrade.co.uk (150watts) appears to be discontinued
https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/SIEG-SX1L-Mill/SIEG-SX1L-Mill-2

==> SIEG SX1LP HiTorque Mill
https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/SIEG-SX1LP-Mill/SIEG-SX1LP-HiTorque-Mill

Yes, pretty impressive spec, at a good price (£595.00 Inc.VAT) but it's bit of a beast weighing in at 50Kg (61Kg gross). Realistically I'm going to struggle to move that back onto a shelf at night!

Frances – Nope, a wheeled stand isn't an option. Space is tight and it will need to be able to be stored on a shelf.

Andy – Could I drill mild steel at 2mm with a PROXXON MF70? Realistically what do we think the maximum diameter of hole that I should be able to drill mild steel with?

SHERLINE

JasonB – That Sherine 12″ Deluxe Vertical Milling Machine ("our most popular mill&quot["5400 (5410)"] looks like a nice, rather elegant piece of kit. Sensible weight at: 18Kg. The table seems rather narrow at just 70mm deep (but maybe there is a good reason for that??)
Realistically what diametre of hole do you think it could drill through mild steel?

However I am based in the UK, and from what I can see thus far, that looks expensive & difficult/slow to obtain here in the UK.

Either way, what are the reasons why is the Proxxon FF230 better than the Proxxon BFW 40/E?

[Andrew TinsleyParticipant @andrewtinsley63637]

Frankly I would not consider a Proxxon mill to be other than a toy. I have seen several of the Proxxon offerings that you mention, they simply are not good enough for working in metal. My own experience of Proxxon tools is they are expensive for what they are and quality isn't very good either.

Jason's mention of Sherline is a much better prospect or the smaller Sieg mills from Arc Eurotrade.

You say you are limited on weight to 20 Kgs. Mills depend on rigidity and that means weight! Your 20 Kg limit means you simply won't get a decent mill for the tasks you wish to use it.

Andrew.

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

can you use a wheeled stand/table to move it away from living space – those you mention sound more like toy machines not really suited to steel – look at ArcEuro’s offers – milling tends to spread small bits of metal – not usually carpet friendly

Edited By Frances IoM on 29/03/2021 18:13:20

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

I too was concerned having see the vice jaws, they don't look beefy enough for side loads either. You need an 80mm Kurt clone which I use on my 2A (with the back drip rail cut off.) 

I've bought a job lot of cutters twice now off ebay and have found around 70% are sharp so 'named' Clarkson style cutters are still out there.

Edited By Dave Halford on 29/03/2021 12:10:21

[Dr_GMJNParticipant @dr_gmjn]

Posted by JasonB on 28/03/2021 19:45:29:

If you are grinding an HSS blank then it can be used as is. If grinding from gauge plate/silver steel then it will need hardening.

Tough up with a slip stone or more likely these days a small diamond lap if the edge goes off, this can be used on both materials

Ok Thanks.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

If you are grinding an HSS blank then it can be used as is. If grinding from gauge plate/silver steel then it will need hardening.

Tough up with a slip stone or more likely these days a small diamond lap if the edge goes off, this can be used on both materials

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

Keith,

I downloaded the user's manual for your machine and looking at the parts diagrams, it would appear that the lathe spindle has a flanged nose to which the standard chuck is attached. But then you'll know that, having taken it all apart to refurbish it. Unless you are going to replace like-for-like, I guess that you will have accept that you will need to undertake a certain amount of machining to ensure any replacement – especially larger – chuck is to fit well and correctly. I wouldn't personally go any larger than 100mm diameter on a lathe of Hobbymat size. (My lathe had a 550W motor fitted originally and really struggled with reasonable depths of cut and feed rates and was fitted with 125mm diameter chucks.)

If you decide to go bigger, you could do worse than investigate the possibility of modifying one of these from ArcEuroTrade. Have a look at these chucks, too, from the same source. Note the comments on the latter page:

" Note: Standard Mini Lathes have an 80mm chuck fitted on a spindle flange with a register of 55mm (dimension H). Some Mini Lathes have a 100mm chuck fitted on a spindle flange with a register of 72mm."

Good luck and welcome to the forum,

John

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

I got around to fitting the Arc eurotrade vice. For anyone thinking of going down the chinese made route then maybe you might get some idea of how good i think it is & any problems encountered. The video below is a 2 part affair. If time is valuable then do not watch. They are both quite long.

Arc eurotrade sg iron 100mm machine vice.

Steve

Edited By JasonB on 27/03/2021 06:56:50

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

no doubt about it – things have got stupid with cars and trucks. They have been 4 wheeled computers for many years now, and are not designed for service at all. I have no idea what I will replace my current vehicles with – nothing I see on the market meets our needs and the prices are outrageous. An equivalent new truck to the one I bought in 2010 for $35000 CDN is now over $80000! Never get done paying for it!

I have been seriously considering just giving up the search and buying a $25000 CDN throwaway Korean made base model car, use it and in 5 years when it is worth nothing at trade in, decide to run it till it quits or scrap it. Much cheaper than an $80000 choice! (but no comfort for tall people, poor driving quality with the electronic "assists", and iffy safety in collisions)

European made vehicles are not an option for us, with prohibitive initial cost and outrageous repair costs here, a friend with a BMW 6 yr old was just quoted $8200 to replace some fuel injectors and ignition coils.

Cars and trucks have become appliances, boring as hell generally. Just my opinion.

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

The BBC asked Suez-experienced mariners about this, and one said that ships are piloted through the canal, in fact have to take on a "canal crew" whose actual tasks apart from that of the pilot on the bridge, appear rather vague.

So I can't imagine this was a case of "someone falling asleep at the wheel" (or whatever is used now – it's not usually any sort of wheel) despite as they said, it being a very monotonous journey.

Nor would I believe the helmsman was untrained, inexperienced and unlikely to understand the captain's language, having helped bring the vessel right round from Holland on this voyage at least.

The thought has just occurred to me though, is using the side-thrusters banned in the canal, for obvious reasons?

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The Suez Canal is stated as the giving the shortest distance between SE Asia and Europe. If as projected, the Arctic becomes navigable for much of the year, would that be shorter still? There is a shipping-lane right along the Siberian coast, but it has to be kept open by ice-breakers. A "plan" map in my atlas, of the Arctic, set me wondering if any near-Great Circle might open through the Bering Strait, joining NW Europe with SE Asia and the Antipodes.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

I would suggest hacksaw/bandsaw sheet metal blanks & then finish mill all round to get all 32 parts any where near 'identical'. Warco, Chester or Arc Eurotrade sell suitable mills. Trying to do this job by hand is not really an option.

Tony

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Posted by robjon44 on 23/03/2021 11:00:12:

I got one yesterday from the president of the USA advising me that the FBI had discovered a scam had been perpetrated against me & that I was entitled to a refund of 5.5 million dollars for pushing a few buttons, I thought that sounded a bit suspicious.

BobH

I've had this one too last month. I've also had various mails stating I have an inheritance from a long lost family member from dept in a co.in Singapore, I did a bit of research on this co.& it was a genuine co. so I emailed a copy of the mail to their customer contact mail naming the sender with a request to check their staff listing, Never heard from either again.

Also had mails from agencies / lotteries in Europe, where they asked for all the usual details to pay the winnings into, needless to say no details were/are passed on. I know who I deal with via mails etc, which is only a short list so anything else that arrives gets checked via my Internet security programme which displays a ' possible scam' notification on my screen.

I've also had the usual Royal Mail / Parcel force, et al, scam to pay for a redeliveries.

George.

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

Quick look at Arc Euro reveals these, but there are no doubt other suppliers available.

Rob

Links to https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Tome-Feteira-Files/Engineering-Files/Flat-Files

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Posted by D.A.Godley on 21/03/2021 22:11:51:

You could do worse than look up “ theoreticalmachinist.com , it’s packed with information

Hi, yes this looks like it is good to use with my mini mill, which I have those readout bars with the remote display that Arc Euro sells.

Regards Nick.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Maybe anyone keen on such a machine ought to talk to Ketan at Arc Euro.

Post Brexit with the amicable behaviour of the EU, it might be simpler to see if having a local company importing from China would be better.

Ketan would be more familiar than most, if he thought that there would be a viable market for such a machine.

And after sales service would be better than across Europe

(Imagine the cost and complications of importing from Germany with tarriffs and bureaucracy, AND if it were faulty and had to be shipped back! )

Howard

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

It may be that the eventual solution would be to buy a plain backplate, cut a thread to suit your lathe, screw it onto the Mandrel, face, and turn the OD to suit one of Arc Euro's Collet chucks.

If this is your chosen route, I would be inclined to have the Collet chuck to hand, before machining the register, so that the Backplate can be as tight a fit as possible to the Collet chuck.

They range in OD from 60 mm through to 125 mm depending on what size ER collet system you choose.

The register varies between 43 mm and 95 mm over the same range.

It would be worth looking at their website, which gives OD, register diameter and depth.

Collets and spanner will be extra.

HTH

Howard

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

If it is any help, Amadeal quote the thread for a Faceplate as 39 x 4.

But remember the warning by Andrew Tinsley that your Mandrel might have an Imperial rather than Metric thread.

PURE GUESSWORK If the thread were 1 1/2 x 8 tpi that would sound like a Boxford fit.

If so Arc Euro offer Backplates in Boxford fit, which could be machined to take one of their ER collet chucks.

Amadeal only seem to quote collet chucks with MT taper shanks rather than with Backplates.

HTH

Howard

[Erik ShepherdParticipant @erikshepherd56460]

Good evening gents,

Please excuse me if this has been covered before.

I've had my Chester 920 lathe for some time now and tweaked it to the best of my abilities, namely the 4 hole toolpost mounting plate, which made a world of difference.

I've been eyeballing getting a collet chuck for some time (most likely ER32), however, because the spindle is threaded, I'm running into issues due to the fact that I'm not entirely sure what will fit.

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Lathe-Collet-Chucks/ER32-Lathe-Collet-Chucks?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrsGCBhD1ARIsALILBYqFNbTZVke-CVExl3-MlchjIUO-DqYkhTaN_FUOcEnqcnQR36pxORAaAjjQEALw_wcB

This is the one I've been looking at, and I've had good experiences with ARC in the past. However, as far as I understand, these are for lathes that have backplates that screw the chuck on, rather than threaded spindles.

Could anyone advise on what chuck would be appropriate for my lathe?

Cheers

Erik

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by JasonB on 15/03/2021 17:24:31:

Posted by Mick B1 on 15/03/2021 14:40:35:

Agreed, and it behoves the machinery distributors to consider the possibilities of supplying it if they want the hobby side of their business to prosper.

One of the reasons why ARC spent a considerable amount of money supporting the Milling and lathework for beginners series in MEW and published the subsequent book. For example it does tell you how to fit ER collets into the nut unlike any of the old books where they were not even heard of.

In the 25 odd years I've been using Axminster for woodworking I have only felt their engineering side to be a very small amount of their business so may well not be running that side of things down as it was never very high up.

The books are designed for people who are unable to do a coarse for various reasons, such as cost, unable to travel, wanting to do their own thing in their own time. This represents a far bigger market then those limited to being able to attend a coarse…. even though hands-on touch and feel of machine and tools is a great thing.

Being able to offer the books has made life a lot more easier for ARC when dealing with new customers, as we are able to direct them to the books which cover answers to most of the questions they seek relating to use of machines and related tooling. In turn, this has helped sales of machines and tools across the range too.

Sales of the books have been steady in the U.K. and across Europe, and to a certain extent in Australia. Sales in the U.S. have been a lot more than expected, probably due to the geographical size of the market.

Before commissioning and sponsoring the series in the MEW, (followed by publication of the books), ARC had considered running coarse on site, but abandoned the idea due to various reasons.

To the best of my knowledge, a long time ago (don't know when), Axminster Tools did woodworking and metalworking tools. Then they dropped out of the metalworking hobby market, and re-introduced the metalworking machines in around 2006/7. Since then, they have been expanding their range in this area.

Ketan at ARC.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

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