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[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I would have hoped anyone looking at Sherline's website with the intent to buy would just click on "dealers" to find where they can get one and see Millhill listed.

Millhill are not teh only outlet in Europe and I expect the French source will do better now post Brexit

Problem really is their machines are not CE compliant so would need to invest to get them to pass. Don't know if small sales let them get away with it.

Edited By JasonB on 23/04/2021 09:56:25

[HollowpointParticipant @hollowpoint]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 22/04/2021 14:12:27:

Posted by Hollowpoint on 22/04/2021 12:01:44:

Sherlines are nice machines and they seem to punch well above their weight considering their small size.

It's frankly unbelievable that their presence in the UK and Europe is almost non existent! The market over here is very strong.

Quite well-known in the UK with a good reputation, and there's a dealer too. Unfortunately the machines are Price on Application, which often signals high cost and long delays over here.

As a general rule importing anything from the USA is expensive and what's delightfully affordable in New York causes British purchasers to blow a gasket when they see the price over here. Quite a good way of buying american gear is to take a holiday in the US and bring it back as hand-luggage.

Another problem might be more competition. Europeans have reasonable access to second-hand watchmaking lathes and – for serious players – Cowells can be bought new. Also Taig/Peatol and Chinese micro-lathes.

Perhaps the biggest problem is UK lathe buyers have bigger machines for general work and don't have room for a little one as well. Many of us have cramped workshops because land is so expensive.

Whatever the reason, it's not because Sherline kit is considered unreliable or inaccurate. Just relatively pricey, small, and a little awkward to buy. I think of buying a Sherline once or twice a year because my other machines make intricate work harder than it should be. Don't do enough delicate turning to justify it though. Maybe one day…

Dave

Though I am aware of Millhill, Well known is not words I would use to describe them.

It's basically one obscure website with no online shop to pretty much serve the whole of Europe? A job that IMO they don't do particularly well. I emailed them about 6 months ago and I am still waiting for a reply. 🙄 I mean they don't even advertise on forums or in the magazines. I imagine most people have no idea who Millhill are or even that they exist.

It may seem a little brutal of me but IMO Sherline should dump Millhill and partner up with some of the bigger boys, Chronos, Warco, Arceuro, Axminster etc to really get their products out there. I am convinced Sherline have the products that fill a gap in the market over here. I collet micro lathes and the choices available new are basically a cheap Chinese c0 an overpriced Proxxon or a very expensive Cowells. Everything else secondhand (Emco) commands a premium because of demand and the watchmakers stuff isn't really suitable for model engineering.

Second to that some of their range of chucks would fly off the shelves over here. A very nice quality American made precision chuck for example costs about $100 which is a bit of a bargain when compared with similar offerings over here which are crudely made usually in China yet cost almost as much?

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

If this is any help,

The closest to your budget that Arc Euro offer are a pair with a 31 mm dia capacity (£47.48 ) or 37 mm capacity at £52.07. Stated to be hardened to HRC 52, the 37 mm pair are stated as "Ground as a pair for accuracy"

Catalogue 11 prices, plus carriage.(£3.60 )

Howard

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned ArcEuroTrade. The seem to stock a number of sizes at reasonable prices.

I bought a couple when I first started out but got caught out, in my ignorance, by the pilot diameter. I was unaware that the pilot was ground to fit a clearance hole. All my drilled holes were clearance sized, even at the drill's stated size. I didn't know then that most, if not all drills make oversized holes – just not quite proper clearance size!

You live and learn. I'm pleased to say that I'm still doing both.

John

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Arc Euro list a range of counterbores to suit threads from M3 up to M12, in HSS, and a set with interchangeable pilots, to produce counterbores from 8.5 mm to 16.5 mm diameters

Howard

[Rob WheatleyParticipant @robwheatley66643]

Hi all, my new Sieg SX2.7 from Arceurotrade arrived this morning, spent a couple of hours unboxing, taking the column off, moving it down the mancave and putting it back together, all went well.

Had a good look over it and have to say I'm very happy so far, checked the table X axis, maybe 0.005 mm end to end, less for the Y axis, (dti is only 0.01mm) all with no play as far as I could tell, table looks very good, everything moves nice and easy with only the last 10mm of X axis tight at the left end of travel.

Chuck is very stiff to remove from the spindle but the ER32 collet holder is fine.

I did remove the spring from behind the X axis handle that pops the dog clutch out as that would really annoy me also the guard as its far to big!

Run it for 10 mins each @ 500, 1000 and 2000 rpm, spindle was warm at the end but not hot.

This one has the new control panel with the speed knob, emergency stop, start and tapping mode, but nothing for reverse apart from in tapping mode with the green quill buttons, I have tried everything but cannot find how to run it in reverse unless in tapping mode, manual is for the old panel so no help at all.

Do the new ones now not run in reverse or am I being stupid?

Tried a few quick test cuts just on aluminium and all is good.

Few things it will need very soon, X powerfeed and Z powerlift, I would end up lopsided other wise winding them handles so much.

[John PParticipant @johnp77052]

Hi
The tee slot cut in this table is 250 grade cast iron it cuts very easily ,you
need to clamp the job down really well and lock all the unused axis ,when i
cut these i always leave about a 1/16 of an inch at the bottom of the slot
for the cutter to work against it takes a lot of the shock of the interrupted cut
away ,the cutter here is from Arc Euro 16mm dia 7mm deep ,obviously the
start needs to be at full depth.If you can the sharp edges of the cutter should be
chamfered to avoid a sharp corner in cast iron, about 1/2 mm is enough.
Power feed and a vacuum cleaner if you have it.

John

[William MayParticipant @williammay60331]

I think the reason several people have copyrights on the same drawing is that they were copyrighted for first publication. I dealt with articles in "Live Steam" magazine, and their copyright was for "First Publication Only" meaning they had the rights to that article, but DID NOT own the plans, except as they were used in the article they paid for. The author still had the copyright on the original drawings.

Also, as you mention, things were more casual in the early days. LBSC may very well have granted permission for more than one entity to carry his plans and drawings. (I know his "Maisie" is carried by both GLR Kennions and Reeves, so they both must have had an agreement with LBSC.) I also know that the "Ayesha" plans were also supplied by Leewood Light Engineering of Australia, (I have a set of them) so apparently they had the rights as well. There could very well be several more individuals or companies with rights to publish LBSC's designs, even though they may not have done anything with them for the last 90 years. .

I can understand why LBSC would do that.

If ONE organization is not going to support your articles and drawings, then get SEVERAL, so you actually generate some income from your designs. LBSC had no other employment than as a writer on small locomotive design and construction, excepting his occasional articles on Christmas presents for little boys that he did every year. Unlike Edgar T. Westbury, who not only wrote articles, but also sold designs to the British government in WWII. (I have been told that all of his "STAR" engines such as Sirius, were designed for the British government and supplied to the resistance forces in Europe during WWII for communications, driving generators for radio systems. All you needed was wood or charcoal to fire your engine, and you could transmit messages, with no gasoline needed.) LBSC had no other outside sources of income other than his writing and designing.

[Stuart Munro 1Participant @stuartmunro1]

Thanks everyone. I was aware of climb milling and plan to mill conventionally except a very light cut to finish where I find climb milling is preferable.

As to milling speeds, for a novice without someone looking over my shoulder its quite unnerving pushing the feed rate up yet I theoretically understand that the balance between Surface feet per min (Have I got the term right), the cut depth and feed rate sometimes needs me to increase feed rate. As an alternative I reduce the RPM.

Dave – your 'feel the right rate' view makes sense to me which I hope comes with practice.

But I've not been lubricating on my mill; I have an oil/water mix a friend gave me for a bit of iron I turned on m lathe – also a Sherline. But might try the WD40 – seems to be akin the the wild west elixir cure all but for engineers!

I clearly misunderstood the whole helix angle thing but got he coated vs uncoated bit right – although I still don't understand quite why – important to my satisfaction not to the machining as long as I follow the 'rules'. Is it that somehow uncoated cutters are sharper because the coating itself thickens the cutting edge? But without this the sharp uncoated cutters will blunt quickly. This moves me towards heap (I see Arc Euro and ACCU selling 2 flute 8mm uncoated bits for £3 – £4. Use one for a few days and throw it away!

I don't want to hog every ones time so if there are any other ex office dwellers moving into a useful pastime in retirement perhaps you have some questions. If not, any thoughts on holding the bits; I use tool holders and weldon mills but most people use collets. Why?

Many thanks

Stuart

[Mike DonnerstagParticipant @mikedonnerstag]

I hope nobody minds me asking a related question. I tried tapping an M4 through hole into 15mm thick mild steel using my Sieg SX3 mill in tapping mode (at about 150rpm), using an Arc-Euro spiral flute tap. The tap made it through two of the holes, with a bit of a struggle, but broke in the third. The holes were all drilled with the usual 3.3mm tapping drill. The tap was held in an ER20 collet chuck, which in turn was held by its 20mm shank in an ER32 collet chuck, held in the machine taper. I used plenty of Rocol RTD cutting fluid.

What did I do wrong, if anything? I understand that a spiral point tap would have been more suitable for a through hole, and perhaps may have been less likely to break. I realise 15mm is quite deep for an M4 hole; could that have been the problem?

Any help gratefully received, as usual

Cheers, Mike

 

Edited By Mike Donnerstag on 15/04/2021 18:33:34

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Thanks for that Joe, you can't expect good quality kit for peanuts, the people making it after all do expect a fair wage, but for what is essentially a hobby, I don't think I could justify that much.

I saw an installation video on YouTube of an er40 lathe Chuck from Arc euro, he seemed to get the inner bore running to no discernable runout, so I'll probably go that route with a good quality back plate, after all the whole point is repeatable accurate convenience, so a good D1-3 backplate should be worthwhile.

As I have already a reasonable set of er40 collets, possibly buying a set of 5um fahrion er40 collets, making an er40 collet chuck to fit on the back end of the spindle, then with 2 sets of collets with some oversized collets, being able to hold up to 32mm bar at both ends of the spindle, this would allow me to quickly work on the ends of bar up to maybe 24"/600mm without the need for steady rests, just a thought.

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

ArcEurotrade list equivalents in small bottles.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Arc Eurotrade, Tracey Tools, APT, and Cutwell are good reliable firms.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

I would have expected module gears to be 20 degrees pressure angle.

You are obviously thinking of a 63T gear.

They are available for mini lathes.(Arc Euro sell aluminium ones ) Using a 63T gear in the train will not be an absolutely precise (You need a 127T for that, but a 1 Mod gear will be big – 129 mm diameter! )

For most purposes, the errors with a 63T gear will be tolerable.

Howard

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

A couple more:

I have made a Boring Bar set and Worden Tool & Cutter grinder from Hemingway kits; and am part-way through a Stent T&C Grinder (Blackgates).

For bar, tube and sheet forming equipment:

One option is Warco, I have one of their small '3-in-1' formers.

W.N.S., based in Rochford, Essex; supplied my tin-man's jenny (Its operating-manual calls it a "Rotary Machine ", which is true, but a bit odd! Most of WNS' products are industrial-sized and powered, for the manufacturers of ventilation-ducting and similar; but they also sell a range of smaller, bench-sized shears, croppers, jennies, bar and tube formers, and similar. They sometimes sell second-hand machines, too, but as something of a side-line.

[Curiously, apart from areas like boiler-making and model locomotive superstructures etc., sheet-metal fabricating seems a bit side-lined in model-engineering. Perhaps that it is because it does not have many model applications; and I think suffers a bit from an unfair reputation. Not everything we make is a miniature replica of hefty plate-work, though.]

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And a big hand for TEE Publishing – I have probably a dozen books from them, most in the 'Workshop Practice' series; and have cited the appropriate ones a few times in this forum.

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My most recent tooling purchases was from Arc Euro others here have mentioned. My dividing-head is a Warco-badged copy of the Vertex B0, (though second-hand but apparently unused, via a bereavement sale within the club).

[Bill PudneyParticipant @billpudney37759]

For an Australian perspective, Ausee Tools are good, as are LPG Toolmakers, Eccentric Engineering & E.J. Winter. RS Australia are surprising, free shipping!! CTC Tooling in Hong Kong have been excellent, their delivery times have improved recently as well.

In Adelaide most of my metal comes from either Surman Metals for cast iron and gunmetal or Bohler Uddeholm for specific grades of steel

My "go to" UK shops are Arc Euro, I don't know what they've done to their freight people but 4 days from UK to Australia is pretty spectacular!! Drill Service do top class stuff. Tracy Tools are excellent. I was disappointed to find that Cutwel Tools do not supply to Australia.

Finally the USA …..Little Machine Shop is good, MariTool are top quality suppliers of top quality cutters

Cheers

Bill

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Posted by V8Eng on 07/04/2021 08:34:10:

Chronos, Arceurotrade, RDG and Myford have given really good service to me during lockdown.

I have to give a mention to RS and their brilliant ongoing high level of service (order by 20.30 and it turns up next day). They are not specialist ME suppliers but a look at their cat will show lots of stuff for our hobby.

I have no connection to any any of these companies just a satisfied customer.

Edited By V8Eng on 07/04/2021 08:35:30

Myford and RDG are spiteful as such I cannot recommend them, I gave them negative feedback due to an ebay purchase as they didn't not respond to my complaint so they blocked me from further purchases no way for a reputable company to behave

H

[Stuart Munro 1Participant @stuartmunro1]

ArcEuro and RGD are my main sources but recently I bought some milling bits from ACCU – good price good service – limited range of machine tools but worth going to for mill bits at least.

Stuart

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

I have used:

ArcEuro, Chronos, RDG,Tracy tools, JB tools, Screwfix, DRO, Warco, Toolstation, Eccentric Engineering, plus many others on eBay without any issues. Usual disclaimer applies.

George.

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

I use Arceurotrade excellent service, for ER collets and 3mt tooling for my mill, Rotagrip for chucks ,soft jaws,,Dickson toolholders, backplates,etc Screwfix for known branded power tools at good prices,, GM tools Ashington Sussex,bought lots of new/used tooling ie taps dies chasers lathe tools,lathe chucks,faceplates used machine tools.The last three I have used for over 30 years.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Chronos, Arceurotrade, RDG and Myford have given really good service to me during lockdown.

I have to give a mention to RS and their brilliant ongoing high level of service (order by 20.30 and it turns up next day). They are not specialist ME suppliers but a look at their cat will show lots of stuff for our hobby.

I have no connection to any any of these companies just a satisfied customer.

Edited By V8Eng on 07/04/2021 08:35:30

[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

Hi Pete,

I have used Arceurotrade, Warco and Chester for some of the tools I have bought, and I'm satisfied with the products. For materials I have used M-Machine Metals and Engineering and GRLKennions.

Thor

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

OK don't bin it, "dispose of in a legal and environmentally friendly manner" with extreme prejudice

Being PTC based means it will maintain temperature but is no indication of the quality of insulation, It is very difficult / expensive to achive good thermal conductivity and the electrical insulation, including creapage and clearance, required for a class II (double insulated) appliance. I would be VERY suroised if this iron met the required safety standards. it is cheaper to use an earth wire. This was probably designed for 100 /115V

The UK importer probably went of of business so they didn't have to give refunds. Several of the items on the archived webpage clearly would not meet european safety standards e.g. 2 bar electric fire.

Robert G8RPI.

[William AyerstParticipant @williamayerst55662]

Thank you for the tips re: the Tom Senior – unfortunately no delivery on the item at all, so I'm having to wait until I can call a company and get a quote on that. I do have a VW Camper van and have read that some mills (such as the Senior) can be broken down into bits big enough to lug into a van, would that work for this one?

I will also check out the FB-2. I have been keeping a weather eye on eBay but no VMCs, no Raglans, no Centec 2B's with a vertical head – although it seems HomeMachineryWorkshop has a 2A but it's over £2400!

Luckily I'm in no rush and I can wait for the right item, but I can see why people would prefer to put their money in the hands of Warco/ArcEuroTrade and get something from China…

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

ARC do metric ones