
Anthony Knights
@anthonyknights16741
Thank you gentlemen for your replies. Just a quick update.
I ordered a new control board from Arc-Euro Trading last night. I received a call from them this morning made by a chap called Ian. He had seen my post and gave me similar advice re testing the motor as you two have kindly provided. What brilliant service !
So far I have checked the brushes, which are good. The commutator is nice and shiny, with no sign of scoring or burning. I will do a resistance check and run the motor on a DC supply tomorrow.
Thank you again for your help.
Anthony

KenJ
@kenj
I’m getting close to that point in life where time becomes available for other activities. Model Engineering has always held an interest and I’m amazed at the quality of models produced from the “garden shed”; truly astounding!
In my case, I will eventually purchase the main machinery items, such as Lathe and Mill etc. and based on those, will decide what is and what is not possible to build.
Having looked on the net at the suppliers and equipment available, the main items of equipment that currently have my attention are;
· Milling Machine – (SIEG Super X3 HiTorque Mill from Arc Euro Trade) and (MI-AMAT45V-R8M-ANH from Amadeal).
· Lathe – (AMA280VFF bench lathe from Amadeal).
Whilst the main equipment is important, so is the backup service, so my questions are, has anyone any comments on (1) choice of equipment and (2) the suppliers?
Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks

Anthony Knights
@anthonyknights16741
Using the machine yesterday when there was a loud "POP" and it died. I checked the fuse which was blown and black (not a good sign). Replaced it anyway and was rewarded with the green power light when I switched it on, but no response from the motor.
The control board is marked SEIG-FC150BJSMO and appears to be the same as one in the Arc-Euro Trading spares list. I will order one but would like the following advice please.
How can I check the motor to ensure I don't blow the new board when I fit it?
Is it possible to get a circuit diagram for the board? I would like to try and repair the old board so I have a spare in future.
Thank you in advance

Iain Downs
@iaindowns78295
Thanks for the advice above.
As to the problem, it would seem I'm a moron.
I stripped the mill again and the problem is stripped gears. The 'cure' of 'mucking about' worked because it rotated the spindle ./ gears to present some non stripped teeth which meshed and away we go. IT seems like the inertia of the spindle was enough to sort of keep the whole thing going until it hit a hard bit and got stuck.
ArcEurotrade will come to the rescue (the X1 is the same mill and ArcEuroTrade about the easiest place to get spares) and I should have it refitted by midweek.
My first stripped gears! Should I be proud or ashamed?
Mr Clarke suggests that I get some know steel and I like the idea in principle. What I'm ultimately trying to do is to make a wood lathe (I know ambitious for a bloke that doesn't recognise a stripped gear) and wanted some heavy steel to make the headstock from. I've not been able to source and decently thick plate of reasonable size. I can get something the size of my workshop at 1" thick, but nothing in the 6 – 10 inch square region (apart from a scrapyard and bits on ebay of equally unknown provenance).
Any suggestions on this would be most welcome!
Iain

John Rudd
@johnrudd16576
Looks like an X2 variant…..
Have a look here for parts…..http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/machineparts/X2-Parts-Diagram-and-List-2012.pdf
You will need quite a few bits to make up the fine feed mechanism for the Z axis as per the diagrams, assuming the two machines are compatible.
You could use a digital readout scale for the Z axis instead of the rotary dial…..
In terms of rigidity, the column is hollow….many folk have filled the void with all manner of substances….Google..
Are you sure the X/Y axis dials are part of the hand wheel and not just stiff to rotate?
Edited By John Rudd on 18/11/2015 11:31:03

Frances IoM
@francesiom58905
does it have to be a JT – been very happy with the B16 2MT taper chucks from ArcEuro can fit both a 1.5mm to 13mm as also a 3-16mm chuck (convenient for larger drills – same chuck also fits a rolling tailstock adapter

Brian John
@brianjohn93961
It does not give the minimum hole diameter for the 8mm tool. There are two different types but I am not sure how they differ. It may be the hardness of the carbide tip.
**LINK**
That 6mm indexable boring bar may be a better bet. I think it might bore smaller holes.
When using a boring bar is it bored to within 0.1mm then finished with a reamer or is the reamer only used with drill bits ?
NOTE : the Arc Euro tool set is not with me now. It will be back in a few days.
Edited By Brian John on 16/11/2015 13:24:36
Edited By Brian John on 16/11/2015 13:24:57
Edited By Brian John on 16/11/2015 13:28:02

Ajohnw
@ajohnw51620
Arceuro do slitting saws and morse taper arbours that will take them Brian. You may need to make a draw bar for the arbour. I usually use a length allthread to save the bother.
John
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Neil Wyatt
@neilwyatt
Just to whet the appetite, this is the current right ascension drive. I've since modified it a bit. Note the use of gears scavenged from old computer printers. Also an Arc Euro 'Bristol' handle. I will take some photos of how the slightly modified version is put together.


Hopper
@hopper
Posted by Brian John on 14/11/2015 08:27:45:
The drill chuck is a 1-13mm chuck. The largest drill bit I have at the moment is 9mm.
There is a HSS boring bar in the Arc Euro HSS set I bought. I thought the indexable tip tool would be more useful.
Get your HSS boring tool out and give it a go on some scrap ally. You might be surprised.

Brian John
@brianjohn93961
The drill chuck is a 1-13mm chuck. The largest drill bit I have at the moment is 9mm.
There is a HSS boring bar in the Arc Euro HSS set I bought. I thought the indexable tip tool would be more useful.

JasonB
@jasonb
Have a look at ARC for their premium HSS-Al cutter which work well and are not too badly piced in the larger sizes.

Ajohnw
@ajohnw51620
This is the company I mentioned, it looks like their mini lathe does come with a metric indicator. I think they all should but more gears are needed for metric lathes as the earlier link explains. Just need one with imperial but in practice in the wider world the capabilities of those has varied on larger lathes.
**LINK**
He's also on ebay, harry something and enjoys the same sort of reputation as Arceuro has with a number of people. He even usually has stocks of 5% cobalt HSS toolbits.
John
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MadMike
@madmike
Colin I would suggest that you talk to Ketan at ArcEuro. If you are in the UK and close to the East Midlands then perhaps pop in and see him. HTH.

Martin W
@martinw
Hi Colin
First of all welcome to the forum. I suspect that the imbalance you are noticing is caused by the fact that the back plate is drilled to accept both the 3 jaw self centering and and 4 jaw independent chucks. The 3 jaw have 3 mounting studs and the 4 jaw have 4 mounting studs and the spacing means that the back plate is not balanced correctly which becomes more apparent at higher revs.
I think some people have suggested that it may be possible to put blanking plugs into the vacant holes but securing them so they don't fly out may prove challenging.
If you look on the ARC site there are links to various articles and sites that cover the Super C3.
Enjoy your new toy
Regards
Martin
PS
A bit more information from the ARC site . If you look at Fig 33 you can see how the mounting holes are distributed on the back plate and how this can cause a certain amount of vibration. Most of the small lathes that have bolt on chucks have this arrangement of holes so it is not unique to the C3 lathe. I have a DB7V from Chester and this has the same mounting arrangement as do similar lathes from the likes of Warco, Axminster etc.
Edited By Martin W on 04/11/2015 17:07:49

Michael Gilligan
@michaelgilligan61133
Posted by Den24171 on 03/11/2015 20:28:38:
On the Arc site there is a link to a guide by Cletus Berkeley on setting up and using a rotary table.
**LINK**
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Yes, it's a very useful guide … but note that he discusses 72:1 ratio
[which might lead to some confusion]
MichaelG.

Dennis D
@dennisd
On the Arc site there is a link to a guide by Cletus Berkeley on setting up and using a rotary table.
**LINK**

Neil Wyatt
@neilwyatt
Posted by Ady1 on 02/11/2015 15:21:19:
Was reading the other day on the beeb that Maersk had lost money with the drop in global trade and the current cost of a 20ft container from china to europe was $233 a pop
Presumably that's the price if you're a big importer, but it's a starter number
Edited By Ady1 on 02/11/2015 15:23:50
Incredible – compare that to the cost of sending a 10Kg parcel to China: £130 using global economy…
Neil

Michael Gilligan
@michaelgilligan61133
Posted by Vic on 29/10/2015 20:07:18:
I was under the impression that "Optimum" Lathes were supposed to be a premium (Chinese) product? 
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To judge by the Euro 'recommended retail price' one might reasonably expect them to be.
**LINK**
MichaelG.
Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/10/2015 20:40:03

Lathejack
@lathejack
Arceurotrade a good trustworthy company, really? I visited them twice last year during the Warwickshire Model Engineering Show. On my second visit I foolishly took two substantial cream sponge cakes with me, and you won't believe how quickly I was relieved of those two MASSIVE cakes!

Clive Hartland
@clivehartland94829
Hello Jason, the report about the bees that actually clear the hive of Varroa has been about for a while, inspecting dead varroa mites the researchers found bite marks on their carapace and found that the bees were doing this.
Grooming of the Queen and bees is normal, it is just that some strains of bees do it more or better. I think it has been 17 years plus since varroa swept through Southern England and then spread to other areas, it is thought that the bees will eventually overcome the mite in time but how long is not known.
The original source of the varroa mite was hosted by a bee in South East Asia, Apis Cerana and it was quite able to live with the mite, it is only since it tracked across Europe that the strains of bees in the areas it went through had never met them before and had no real defence to oppose them. The varroa breed in 10 days and a bee in its cell takes 19 days so the varroa can do it's deadly work before the bee hatches. The varroa is a virus vector and passes on these virus when feeding off the bees blood.
Clive
Edited By Clive Hartland on 27/10/2015 21:31:12

Chris Jordan
@chrisjordan32922
Sten gun!
Something from the Lion comic I had in the 1960's (Trellawney of the Guards stormed his way across Western Europe defeating the German army single-handed with one), I don't think they really existed (made from broom handles, left over 303 barrels, pipe cleaners etc). Anyway I'm going to make one on my Warco and when I've finished that I'll finish the robot Archie I started a few years back…or maybe that light pull 
Chris J

peak4
@peak4
I'm in no position to advise on what lathe to buy, but just pointing out something I don't think anyone has mentioned yet, but I really can't be bothered to plough through all the previous thread to find out.
I've no idea where Tom lives, but why not try and visit whoever is selling a similar style of lathe to that which he now seeks.
i.e. Tom lives near Leicester, then personally visit ARC Eurotrade, Warco if you live in Surrey, Axminster if you live near there etc.
If there is no wild rush to purchase, how about waiting until January and visiting the London Model Engineering Exhibition; That way Tom can directly compare some of the various offerings.
If Tom lets us know roughly where he lives, perhaps some friendly local will invite him over for a cup of tea and a demo of their similar machine.
I'll start it off, I'm in Sheffield but can only offer a play with an old, quite worn Myford, which probably won't help much; I can offer a wide variety of tea and coffee though 

Mike Wainwright
@mikewainwright87512
I have bought a Warco RF-25 Drill / Mill and I bought some Digital Readout with Remote Display from Arceurotrade
I can see how to fit the X axis but I cannot see how to fit the Y Axis. Has anyone fitted these to this type of Mill and could they post some pictures of how it was fitted.
I can post pictures if required.

Hopper
@hopper
Posted by Brian John on 25/10/2015 11:18:43:I cannot see how the lower ways can be improved ; just not enough room.
Edited By Brian John on 25/10/2015 11:24:02
Edited By Brian John on 25/10/2015 11:24:23
A careful rub with the right file might be all it needs, or a small scraper.
If you look at the ArcEurotrade articles on fettling mini lathes, it appears the bottom lift plates are designed to be a neat sliding fit on the lower ways.
See points 94-99 here http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/machineguides/C3-Mini-Lathe-Dismantling-and-Reassembly-Guide.pdf
Slightly different lathe but same basic principle.
Edited By Hopper on 25/10/2015 11:44:16