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[Brian JohnParticipant @brianjohn93961]

I have spent the afternoon pulling the lathe apart to take some photos as everybody wants to see under the carriage and the clamping plate. As you can see, the surfaces are not smooth at all…they are extremely rough but I suppose they do not make contact with each other so they do not have to be. The sliding parts of the carriage that run on the rails are also quite rough. I was surprised at this as I expected them to be finely machined to a perfectly smooth finish.

While everything was apart I took the opportunity to remove the awful purple paint which scraped off easily (it was applied with no undercoat or etch primer).The end result is not in the photos. I also drilled and tapped (3mm) the tail stock side of the carriage to take a lead screw cover when I make one in the future. How did I live without a drill press ?

The carriage does slide smoothly along the rails but as I have said before, the problem is the adjustment mechanism ; it is always too tight or too loose. There is nothing wrong with the lead screw or the clutch.

I have left everything disassembled as you see in the photos. I doubt that there is anything much I can do to improve things before reassembling but somebody may have some suggestions.

I wonder if I have voided my warranty yet ?

NOTE : those  serial taps from Arc Euro are wonderful. It is like tapping into brass !

 

 

 

Edited By Brian John on 25/10/2015 07:05:49

Edited By Brian John on 25/10/2015 07:59:40

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by John W1 on 24/10/2015 11:07:21:

If you get a good clean shot Neil and post it on CambridgeInColour there is a man about that will id it. He's part of an insect survey but some buzzing things need a very clear photo to be entirely certain.

Was hard to get a clean shot using macron when there another 20-30 mixed drunken wasps and hornets buzzing around me…

But it's a plain old european hornet, plenty of them around here, but getting scarce in some parts.

Got several other photos from different times, oddly no good ones, although I have a video of one doing a poo on our front step.

Neil

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I find these Mini stones from ARC do the job, tend to use the red handled one

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

I use a set of diamond hones, available from most of the dealers like Chronos or Arceuro. the set is five varying from a very fine one to a quite aggressive medium coarse one. You will find these excellent for dressing/honing any cutting tool.

Clive

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Posted by julian atkins on 20/10/2015 00:18:24:

as a fellow Dore Westbury owner and user, John's thread is of considerable interest to me especially as my Myford collets are all to imperial sizes.

i have a special head for the disposable carbide 1/4" dia shank cutters. i was lucky enough to get a further supply of these cutters at the Bristol ME exhibition last year.

cheers,

julian

I often use an ER16 2 morse collet holder on mine or 2 morse collets from arc euro. They do part sets for milling. The draw bar thread is too big for a DW so I either drill and fit a tapped sleeve to suit or add a short length of all thread with tapped hole to suit the DW draw bar. So far I have managed with the all thread. They are just loctited in place. I use the ER16 holder because it's easier to see what going on especially with small cutters.

I want to try a much larger cutter so am going to try ER25 and the myford fitting should be stronger than 2 morse plus less projection. I've no idea if the mill will handle a 100mm face mill. If not back on ebay and try another size.

The sort of fit that is needed is something of the order of 0 clearance to some 1/10 thou interference. The nearest standard I am aware of is ansi light interference fit number 1 but lathe registers are generally bang on size.

John

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[Nick ThorpeParticipant @nickthorpe64546]

I would just like to post a few words in defence of Arc Euro's policies. They are not a huge company that can offset costs . They provide a good product at a fair price, with good service and it is up to them what they do with payments. I run a plumbing business and don't take credit cards because it is too expensive. My business, my choice. Nick.

[VicParticipant @vic]

I bought most of my ER32 collets from Arceurotrade which I expect are Chinese, Ketan on here can confirm, and I've had no problems with them holding stock in my Lathe or cutters in the Mill. But then I can't even fit a full size engine block on my mill table much less machine it!

Am I in the right place, this is still model-engineer.co.uk isn't it?

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi Ketan A lot of companies on the Internet ask you to fill in an online form. They do not use a secure gateway. I Have no problems with ArcEuroTrade. Regards David

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Hi there It is easy for customers to rip you off with paypal. I have lost several hundred pounds when the buyers filed a fraudulent transaction claim and I also had chargeback claims.

I don't like using debit/credit cards to pay online as I don't think they are very safe. I do use them for ArcEuroTrade and similar UK companies I know and trust. However, I don't think they are safe. We enter our card details online including the three digit security number. How does the security number make the card safe when we have to give the security number to suppliers?

I did hear of a sales rep who took a card payment and used the details for online gambling. I won't embarrass the company he worked for by mentioning them.

Edited By David Clark 1 on 18/10/2015 18:12:24

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

Years ago most towns had a supplier of high quality engineer’s tools and equipment made by reliable British companies such as Moore & Wright, Eclipse, Ambrose Shardlow, Chesterman, Marlco, Fobco, and other too numerous to mention. Items could be purchased with total confidence in their quality, accuracy and soundness of manufacture. Most of these old shops have long since gone to be replaced, in part, by modern retailers such as Machine Mart, Screwfix and similar who sell a limited range of quite good quality imported engineering tools that sometimes bear the names of old British companies despite their Far Eastern origin.

Most model engineers now tend to use specialist importers of tools and equipment usually made in either China or India most of which is unbranded with a few exceptions such as Vertex, Zyther etc. So we have to rely on the reputation of the particular UK Company that sources the items on our behalf. We are all familiar with these companies as they regularly advertise in the magazines and some still attend exhibitions.

I use most of these companies from time to time however my regular supplier of choice is always Arc Eurotrade for the following reasons:

• Ketan Swali is always helpful and engages with the model engineering fraternity via this forum where other suppliers most certainly do not.

• They have a very good range of really useful items that have obviously been selected with great care.

• They are upfront about the identity of their suppliers of their more expensive goods e.g. Seig, Zyther, Sumitomo and obviously select trusted suppliers for their own-branded items.

• I place orders quite frequently over the phone using their unambiguous part code numbers. The person receiving the order reads back to number, description and price before confirming the order.

• I trust the quality of the items offered for sale as sometimes purchasing unbranded Far Eastern tools can be a bit of a gamble.

• Very fast delivery times – invariably the next day.

• I am sure the machines that are sold have more than adequate power for the intended purpose and are as electrically efficient as any others on the market.

I have nothing but praise for this company with whom I have no connection other than being a very satisfied customer.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

If you have £400 quid's worth and counting you might find it convenient and economical to look at the EMG-12 from Arc Euro Trade.

See this thread:

http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=106060

Neil

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Posted by Bob Brown 1 on 14/10/2015 20:24:39:

I purchased a full set from here **LINK** work fine for me be it lathe or milling machine even with duty etc not a bad price, OK took a couple of weeks to appear.

Bob

Ditto with my ER25 set from the same Co. … with MT2 & 4 to suit for lathe & mill, with the new ball bearing lock nuts from Arc Euro ( usual disc. ) works fine for me.

George.

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

No way can an honest supplier hope to win in a specification war with competitors willing to fabricate figures pretty much out of thin air. Better to concentrate on the intangibles by careful writing re-enforcing the trusted, reliable supplier image. Ketan already has the reputation of going a bit further and a bit better than the other guy which will help a lot.

How about :-

"Durable long life motors rated industrial style for continuous running at maximum output power as per specification … Anticipated lifetime in excess of 20,000 hours in normal use, thats about 20 years if used for 2 hours every weekday night and 8 hours at weekends."

"Sophisticated matched motor and driver combinations permitting short term overloads up to … hp when needed without risking premature drive failure or motor burn out due to excessive overdriving as can occur with less sophisticated or poorly matched components."

"Durable replacement motor and drive combinations supplied separately to replace prematurely failed units on similarly configured machines from other suppliers. May need brackets or adapters fabricated. Download this pdf for motor, shaft and fittings dimensions."

OK writing advertising, website or catalogue copy is so not my thing but you get the idea. Used to be "Can't go wrong buying IBM." so now try for "Can't go wrong buying Arc Euro".

Clive.

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

It will be interesting to see if the development of l'affaire VW has any effect on the acceptance of this sort of "mine is bigger than yours" specmanship. UK and European law has lots of pretty big teeth which are supposed to deal with this sort of thing but are routinely ignored because its too expensive / too much hassle to make a prosecution stick and even then the punishment isn't effective. At the time of my motor episode I had informal access to high powered legal folk, the right person owed me big time for a favour, and the big beast consulted positively salivated at the prospect of getting some interpretations into law via what he claimed to be a slam dunk case. Like I was going to drop a hundred grand or so to prove fraud over a £55 (I think) motor. My experience is that legal beagles have no sense of proportion.

Given there are UK, European and International standards for pretty much everything you can think of I would hope that l'affaire VW will lead to all power and similar performance claims being, by law, to be made in relationship to a recognised standard whose requirements are accessible to any member of the public on demand. (Its surprising how many standards joe public simply can't get at even via library services.) Inducement to purchase by unsupported or irrelevant claims could then be considered criminal fraud with automatic custodial sentences for upper management of the companies responsible. Impossible to deal with the Chinese suppliers directly but there ought to be ways of cutting repeat offenders off at the knees by creative use of the import control legislation. I understand there is a lot of powerful legal stuff that has never been repealed, just kicked into the long grass and much precedent that has been tacitly ignored to avoid embarrassing les politicos.

Other side of the coin is does Ketan actually want the sort of customer who doesn't make specification checks or even bother to search out the relevant information. Nice though extra sales are the wilfully ignorant can be even more demanding than the excessively perfectionists (like me!). Given that Ketan made his good reputation by going that bit further and that bit better than other purveyors of similar equipment maybe its prudent to accept that most of those swayed by overhyped specifications are initially at least lost customers. Odds are that those disappointed folk who want something better will find their way to fora such this or other knowledgable advice "Should have gone to Arc Euro mate. Ketan will see you right". Being prepared to make like Rikki-Tikki-Tava and run and find out seems to be indispensable to anyone intending to make fist of this hobby. Hardly matters how fictional the motor spec is on the bought on a whim and left in the shed machine. Regrettable though it may be the fact is that the capabilities of the machines in the cheap seats always came with significant airbrushing and hype. I started with a Portass S which barely made it onto the lathe performance scale, about half a rung above Adepts.

Clive.

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

If you decide to consider the backplate route, try to source something like 040-060-10200 C3 100mm Backplate – Plain – Steel, which you can find on this page: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Chucks/Lathe-Chuck-Backplates

The backplate has a 55mm register, and it is drilled and tapped in the 3 holes. The three holes will locate in the same place as your existing 3 holes (PCD) where your chuck was mounted – hopefully. The front is blank enabling you to drill/tap, or put in T slots, but please discuss with Hopper and others on here before you consider this route.

Ketan at ARC.

Edited By Ketan Swali on 08/10/2015 13:54:01

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

I have front mounted my X axis DRO & the Y axis on the left hand side.. Arc Euro type with remote read out. My WM16 has the long table -700mm so I fitted the 20"/600mm slide ( X ) & the 8"/200mm ( Y ) There are pics in my album of fitting. I did not remove the table for fitting. just the left hand wheel & end casting for easier access, drilling the cast was not to difficult as didn't come across any hard spots.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

I prefer front mounting for the X axis as long as I can use the slide lock.

Wind the table all the way to the right and mark with felt tip pen at the left making sure the mark is on the top and bottom of the table, cross slide. Wind slide all the way to the left and measure the distance between the two marks. This is the longest travel the slide can do and will be the minimum length of slide + about an inch for the end mountings. the Warco x travel is 480mm so you need a minimum of a 500mm slide.warco only go up to 500mm but arc euro trade do a 600mm one. The Warco Y axis travel is 175mm so I would use the 200mm slide.

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Measure between the two marks above.

Edited By David Clark 1 on 02/10/2015 20:07:28

[Brian JohnParticipant @brianjohn93961]

Well, I bought two cutting discs (different brands) so perhaps I should use one for steel and keep the other for brass and aluminium ?

If cutting outside there is unlikely to be large and dangerous quantities of aluminium powder lying around to be ignited but I will be mindful of this. I do not intend to be cutting large amounts of aluminium as would exist in an industrial situation..

I bought a saw horse and set up the vice on it outside in the courtyard today. The MT1 dead centres and half centres arrived this morning from Arceuro so I cut the ends off to make them fit the lathe which requires MT1 short. Wow, the grinder with cutting wheel cuts straight through in about 30 seconds…sure beats using a hacksaw or dremel tool.

NOTE : I always use a full face mask when using power tools……especially the grinder or rotary tool. Hearing protection too in the case of the angle grinder as it is very noisy even when not cutting anything.

 

Edited By Brian John on 30/09/2015 07:57:44

[Brian JohnParticipant @brianjohn93961]

I tried it with and without a dead centre : with the steel it did not seem to make much difference whereas when I was making the aluminium mandrel it did make a difference. I guess it is because the aluminium is more flexible. I am waiting for those half centres from Arceuro as that should make these things much easier to work on.

I will also be buying an angle grinder with a cutting wheel tomorrow so I can cut up steel bar stock and shorten the M1 arbors. I think I am done with using a hacksaw…too much hard work !

Many thanks to all concerned here. I hope all the equipment problems are finished and I can get on with learning how to use it. maybe I will knock up one of these next week :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/46407028@N07/4265928235/

Edited By Brian John on 28/09/2015 18:18:40

[egaParticipant @ega]

Brian John

Here is a photo of the cross slide handle on my Willson slant bed. It's a simple piece of flat MS with a hole to slip over the standard handle and another hole to receive the extension handle; the latter came from Arceuro and was modified by having its rotating centre removed and being tapped for the retaining screw. My top slide handle is made on similar lines and I was prompted to make it by a need to improve the finish of tapers. The "inspiration" may have come from the late D H Chaddock whose Quorn book has several photos of his own similar device.

[David Clark 13Participant @davidclark13]

Arc Euro Trade used to do a rust remover that worked really well. They may still sell it. It removes rust without discolouring the metal.

[mahgniaParticipant @mahgnia]

C6 spare part:

**LINK**

C6-944 Timing belt from Arc-Eurotrade 1.5 x 124 x 15

 

Andrew

Edited By mahgnia on 23/09/2015 15:30:25

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by davidsuffolk on 21/09/2015 19:26:43:

I am looking to buy a boring head and had read that some of the cheaper makes from India & China were a bit problematic. I have some Vertex (from Taiwan) equipment which seemed to be pretty good to me so I was planning to buy one of those.

I had put a wanted ad out to see if anyone had a good quality one for sale and was offered a used UPA 3 boring and facing head. It was a lot more than I had planned to spend but made me think it might be worth buying. I looked to see what was available new. Even Vertex's is pushing £600 so I was surprised to see that Arc Euro's boring and facing head was £343 which seemed exceptional value.

Now I accept that quality costs and you get what you pay for so I don't want to buy if it is of a poor quality,similar to the cheaper fixed boring heads on sale everywhere for £50 or so.

So, has anyone any experience of these heads? Are they durable and accurate?

Any comments or advice appreciated!

David,

There are makers of 'cheap' boring heads in India and China. There are also makers of 'good quality' boring heads in both countries. It is down to who chooses to import what, for this product.

If you dont need the automatic feed facility, then what is available from the likes of ARC, Chester, Warco, Chronos are fine. I say this based on sales experience for the product range under the £100.00 mark, as well as having visited the factories who make for the companies specified. Return/failure rate is about 2 in a 100, based on ARC sales figures.

The Universal Boring and Facing Heads: Broadly speaking, these are a Narex copy. They are made by large set-ups who have specialist skills for making such heads. To the best of my knowledge, there are only three good makers for this product in China, with regular production for this item. In India, it is made against special order only. It is my opinion that Vertex's head is supplied by one of the three factories from mainland China, and ARC happens to buy from one of them. There are very minor differences (mainly screws and nuts) between the three, as they all share the same blueprint, which I have seen, when we had a problem with a unit which was returned.

I am aware that you have failed to receive any comments from users, in this thread. So, as a seller, I can only address this by referring to ARCs sales and returns. ARC is happy with the product and its sales, with one return, as the said unit was faulty. About 50% sold to businesses and 50% to private end users. The product we sell is packed in a case which is different from Vertex, and other than that, I too fail to see the difference. It does not come with any instructions.

Ketan at ARC.

[davidsuffolkParticipant @davidsuffolk]

I am looking to buy a boring head and had read that some of the cheaper makes from India & China were a bit problematic. I have some Vertex (from Taiwan) equipment which seemed to be pretty good to me so I was planning to buy one of those.

I had put a wanted ad out to see if anyone had a good quality one for sale and was offered a used UPA 3 boring and facing head. It was a lot more than I had planned to spend but made me think it might be worth buying. I looked to see what was available new. Even Vertex's is pushing £600 so I was surprised to see that Arc Euro's boring and facing head was £343 which seemed exceptional value.

Now I accept that quality costs and you get what you pay for so I don't want to buy if it is of a poor quality,similar to the cheaper fixed boring heads on sale everywhere for £50 or so.

So, has anyone any experience of these heads? Are they durable and accurate?

Any comments or advice appreciated!