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[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

This raises interesting questions.

Copyright on published material in Europe lasts, in general, for 70 years after the author's death. However in, for example, Australia and Canada it lasts for 50 years after the author's death.

As Dr; Schlesinger died in 1949 it is perfectly legal to download a copy in Australia so what happens if get a friend to download it legally there and then legally email me a copy? If it is downloaded in Australia does it then become copyright free and freely available anywhere?

Clearly copyright law worldwide needs to be brought up to date with the internet age.

Here in France I could watch BBC television programs through the internet. However the BBC only have the rights to transmit many of their programs to UK viewers. Again the laws are unclear and archaic.

Russell;

[larry PhelanParticipant @larryphelan54019]

I am surprised to read that Arc euro trade would deliver to a supermarket or off licence.

I tried to buy from them recently,using my Lazer card,but since the delivery cost to my address was too high,I asked to deliver to a collection centre in St Albans,from which my post office would collect for far less.

However this could not be done since it appears that Arc can only deliver to the address at which the card is registered. This was explained to me by way of a very courteous,and prompt,phone call,for which I thank them.

It appears that this is due to some agreement with the card companies..I was surprised because I have bought from other suppliers using the collection centre without any problems.

This is not to complain about Arc,I,m just surprised.

[Clive IndiaParticipant @cliveindia]

We have a box for bigger parcels outside our house. This works very well for me and saves me several journeys. With some deliverers you can nominate where the parcel is left. Difficult for signed-for parcels but I try to avoid them. Obviously, sometimes it is at my risk. Not a problem so far.

There are difficulties when more than one delivery is made and the first bloke locks the box, but not often and back on the old system then. Works for me.

One improvement I need to make – modify the directing sign with translations in east European languages!

[Andrew TinsleyParticipant @andrewtinsley63637]

I can confirm that the Frosts rust remover works well. However it is somewhat dilute and doesn't last very long for any serious rust removal, I just wonder if the Arc Eurotrade rust remover may prove just as effective and maybe cheaper. I am going to try this next time I need some gentle rust removing.

For really bad items I still use phosphoric acid in warm dilute form. it certainly shifts the rust, but also a little good metal. but when the corrosion is that bad, I don't really mind as it is a lot cheaper than the fancy neutral rust removers.

Andrew.

[Matt HarringtonParticipant @mattharrington87221]

I'm more interested to know what the hardware support is like as I am going to buy a new machine in the New Year. I was worried that the support was not forthcoming and so was feeling a little worried about parting with my money.

Ian from Arc Euro has put my mind at rest and I have confidence restored in Arc Euro.

Of cours, if anyone has dusty Sieg KX3 they want to sell, let me know!

 

Matt

Edited By Matt Harrington on 29/11/2017 13:31:02

Edited By Matt Harrington on 29/11/2017 13:31:45

[Matt HarringtonParticipant @mattharrington87221]

With the sad passing of Mr Stevenson, I see that the SIEG support site has now ceased. I was wondering if we were likely to see something similar? Arc Euro don't seem to want to respond to me….

Matt

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

This is probably the best introduction I have seen, Martin **LINK**

http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/projects/rotarytable/UsingARotaryTable.pdf

But do be aware that the example he is using is 1:72 ratio

… Yours is most probably 1:90

MichaelG.

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Hi Steve

**LINK**

Threadloc 395 here looks suitable

Emgee

typo again.

Edited By Emgee on 26/11/2017 11:30:14

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Mine were 6mm

Arc Euro list them in their Catalogue 10 on page 62, as "Press Button Oilers" in 6mm, 8mm and 10mm dia.

Howard

Thanks for the info Howard.
George.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

George, (Mechman 48) Ball Oilers.

Mine were 6mm

Arc Euro list them in their Catalogue 10 on page 62, as "Press Button Oilers" in 6mm, 8mm and 10mm dia.

Howard

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Rockets on 22/11/2017 17:07:10:
Definitely different people living at different ends of the country, and hardly voices crying in the wilderness if you count how many people have tales of woe regarding this particular outfit. I have no axe to grind with them though, I was refunded. Someone wondered what Westbury would have thought of all of this. I have a good number of issues from his era, they are fantastic, I'm always learning from them. That was when ME WAS it's readers. I can't imagine him sitting on the fence whilst his readers potentially bought iffy products, just because he wanted to keep a full page as spread. That's where my axe lies. I imagine the blessed man has engaged backgears and is slowly revolving as we speak.

Why not say what you think more plainly?

It seems you are accusing me of defending Chester simply because they advertise with us.

As a site moderator I have a duty to enforce the T&Cs, and the repeated postings about Chester risk infringing the 'defamatory' rule. It's getting well past reasonable comment – If you have no axe to grind, why not click on the '18 forum posts' under your name and decide for yourself how many of your posts are criticisms of suppliers (Chester in particular) and how many are constructive contributions to the forum.

For clarity 11 out of 18 are either critical of Chester or part of threads where you were expressing criticism of Chester. Nearly all the balance are comments about Arc Euro Trade or complains about posts being removed when actually they were awaiting moderation.

It's hard to not to conclude you use this forum solely with the intent of putting the boot into suppliers you have a beef with.

Neil

 

 

Edited By Neil Wyatt on 22/11/2017 18:39:02

[Raymond AndersonParticipant @raymondanderson34407]

Here is the 16 year old GH750 Still accurate to this day Checked usually every year and last check at the tail end of last year was 14 microns over approx. 275mm [ chuck only for support no tailstock used ]. I also think that although it looks in a mess [ cosmetically] all the important areas are well maintained, 3 gear boxes always with Castrol, Coolant Castrol Hysol and slideway lubrication is Castrol Magnaglide. I really do think that a lot of problems with the Chinese machines is "user generated " ie lack of maintenance, like anything else maintenance is the order of the day. The lathe has seen a helluva lot of use in the 16 or so years.

Whether [ as Micheal G was wondering ] the new versions are as good or reliable I cannot say. Also cannot comment on customer service from Warco as I've never needed any. [ I think that says it all ]

Pic also of the Eurotherm 650 drive which has also performed without a murmur. The 2005 Chester Lux and WEG CFW 08 Drive are in an album.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

As usual, coming in late to the discussion.

Limpet : Have you looked at Arc Euro for brushes?

First lathe was a second (at least) hand Myford ML7 Before too long needed a new Secondary belt, and then countershaft and bushes, and nut for the Cross slide. Using a Rodney milling attachment convinced me that it was not rigid enough for my use.

Warco vs Chester

Bought a RF25 (Economy) Mill/Drill from Warco. Primary belt shreddeed within six months. Motor was out of line. Replacement, with motor aligned , still going strong at least 15 years later.

Bought a small bandsaw from Warco. It cost me near £100 in blades before return. The replacement (Asked for checkover before despatch) obviously wasn't as the main casting had a crack with paint in it.

Sent it back for the larger 4.5 inch model. Out of warranty, that sent the thin steel bearing spacer through the lower bearing and seal. Replaced both bearings and seal, with a hefty brass spacer. No more problems in that area.

Wanted to buy an Imperial BH600, without stand. No quote was forthcoming, so bought a BL12-24 from the now defunct Engineers Tool Room, (VFD fitted for free when ordered). Reg Pugh even helped place it on the bench.

Tumbler gears slack and noisy: replaced immediately, and with new axles, without query. Halogen lamp ate bulbs; with improved ventilation, cannot remember last bulb failure. Only problems have been caused by my stupidity.

Design problem of placing a ball oiler behind handwheel where it was inaccessible. Relocated by self.

Spoke to Warco about possibility of obtaining ball oilers. Six arrived, FOC by post a day or two later!.

Have a secondhand Chester Super Conquest, only complaints: No means of lubricating the leadscrew bearings (Rectified by drilling and fitting ball oilers when making and fitting a graduated leadscrew handwheel.

Tailstock was off centreline. Did not look as if previous owner had moved it. No great problem in realigning it.

Those are my experiences of Far Eastern machines. Obviously with many years in Quality Engineering am not happy about the problems, but I got what I paid for. A Rolls Royce costs a lot more than Dacia, so you expect no, or fewer problems and maladjustments..

If there are problems, the after sales and service support is the vital factor, which is what my former employers tried, and still do, to provide.

An Industrial machine will be built and assembled with a view to providing reliable, durable, precise work over a long hard life, and will cost accordingly.

Hobby machines are designed and built for light duty; and the materials, life and quality will be reflected in the price.

Who expects to win the Tour de France on a bike bought from a supermarket?

Howard

[geoff walker 1Participant @geoffwalker1]

I'm looking for a new bench drill but a much smaller one suitable for indoor use. To be purely for small drills up to 3.5 mm. in a range of materials, balsa, plywood, M.S. brass, bronze etc. No heavy drilling the boxford union in the workshop does all that.

There are numerous cheapy, cheapy, chinese ones around the £100 mark and all available via delivery from the far east. Not sure about these, look like glorified dremels to me?

The proxxon TBH looks good but at a whopping £365 I would want some really good feedback and a up close look before i would buy at that price.

The axminster XO at £312 also expensive but I do like the variable speed drive, digital readout and the scroll chuck.

Arc euro are offering a sieg XO at £224 which looks very similar in spec and quality to the Axminster and has a ER11 collet chuck option .

Any thoughts on or experience of the above guys? cheers geoff

[Simon CollierParticipant @simoncollier74340]

Your requirements are incompatible with your budget, not a rare phenomenon! A C3 type lathe can be made to perform OK. Consider Neil's book on the C3 mini lathe, and have a look at the article on setting up one of these lathes on the Arc Euro site.

[Dan CarterParticipant @dancarter89683]

I may be imagining this, but didn't ArcEuro use to offer a service to strip, clean, check etc their machines at extra cost ? If so, presumably Ketan has a good idea of exactly how many people are willing to pay extra for a guaranteed ok machine, and I am guessing it is not a lot ….

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/11/2017 08:57:08:

Posted by Raymond Anderson on 21/11/2017 08:22:33:

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How does the 'quality control' of current supply compare with that of 2001 ?

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MichaelG.

We don't really know. On average I think it's fairly obvious there's been considerable improvement since Far Eastern machines first appeared in the 1970s. Early magazine reviews are all negative. Today much of the comment reports minor problems rather than major ones, though major issues do still occur.

The centre of production is continually changing. It's moved from Taiwan to mainland China who are undergoing an Industrial Revolution. Their industrial base started primitive and is evolving rapidly. At the moment it's a mix of high-end and low-end production methods not dissimilar to the UK in 1950. (Shipyards doing welding next to shipyards using rivets, modern steel works next to a Victorian Iron Foundry, Jet Aircraft being built by men driving Austin 7s etc.) China faces competition from countries like India who have a similar mix of world-class and primitive engineering.

Making hobby lathes is highly competitive and profits low. It must be very tempting to use 'nearly good enough' castings rather than rejecting them and to not slow production by fixing small faults. On the other hand machine surfaces are accurately made with grinding machines. Early problems with motors, bearings and electronics are mostly solved. Gears and other components are competent rather than polished. However, lathes appear to be assembled in a hurry with minimal attention to cosmetic details. The end result is a mixture of mostly reasonable lathes with some exceptional examples, and some bad. For industrial use, the quality process would reject the bad outright and uplift the reasonable to a specification, paying considerable attention to the details. This is expensive!

I don't think enough lathes are made to justify the quality techniques used to make cars and electronics.

Once hobby lathes are finished, I guess 3 things happen:

• The rejects are sold off locally. It's possible that that these end up on ebay or similar. The risk of getting a dud from an unknown source is higher.
• Some Western outlets pay a premium or otherwise apply leverage to get the best examples for their customers. (Based on fewer moans about them I guess that ArcEuroTrade, Warco, Axminster and Grizzly at least do this to some degree, perhaps also checking a little more carefully before shipping. It doesn't guarantee complete satisfaction, but it lifts them above the average.)
• Other outlets may simply pass on reasonable examples, perhaps after a superficial inspection before shipping. Most of these will be OK, but the risk of getting a clunker will be higher. Your protection is that they will change it.

Customer service is another variable. Company policy might be to resist all but the most justified complaints, or it might be to respond positively even to nitwits and time-wasters. Policies and attitudes to customers change over time and even the best run organisations drop the ball on a bad day. You might ring up when most of the staff are off-sick and the untrained temp has a filthy headache! And there's a reason why most firms don't allow engineers to talk to customers.

Generally I think quality tends to rise, but there are many reasons why it's not universal. For example, as the pound has lost value in recent times, and because UK vendors have to keep prices low, there's likely downward pressure on quality at the moment unless the Chinese have improved productivity to compensate.

I'm guessing really. We would know more if everybody shared their experiences good and bad in a standard form, but we don't. It would also be interesting to be a fly on the wall at, say, ArcEuroTrade to see how Ketan does business and to visit his Chinese suppliers and their facilities. I'd expect most of what goes on behind the scenes to be slick, a fair bit challenging, and some of it heartbreaking. The world's like that.

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 21/11/2017 12:00:10

[Raymond AndersonParticipant @raymondanderson34407]

As a member who has a lathe from Warco and 1 from DSG and a mill from Chester and a K&T as you would expect they are from opposite ends of the spectrum. The Warco Lathe [ GH750 ] now discontinued was bought new in circa 2001and has been a superb buy, never any problem and still performs great to this day. The only thing I have ever had fail was the halogen bulb !!" Did remove the original motor and fitted a 3hp 3p Siemens one running off a Eurotherm 650 drive [ now made by Parker ] . The Mill from Chester [ LUX ] has been a bit more of a pain, Did quite a lot of work to the interface between the Column/ Base/ Head. involving epoxy injection, now far more rigid very easy to get it perfect in the x-y and it will stay where I set it. The nod from front to back is more of a pain, I feel that the head is too heavy for the column [ you will always have a bit of nod but I would be better with a more rigid column] Having said that it has performed reliably since bought in around 2005 and again I removed the original motor and replaced it with another Siemens 3 hp 3p running through a WEG CFW 08 drive. Hope this has been of some help.

Cheers.

[martin ranson 2Participant @martinranson2]

Stephen … I was trying to find the fastest speeds for the Proxxon … in one section with the original motor fitted it does quote 1400 RPM … if I remember rightly this produced a lot of vibration at speed … I was looking through the arc euro trade catalogue ( http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk ) at the taper roller bearings they sell … they do not list the maximum speed the bearings will stand but it may be quite a bit higher than 2000 RPM … possibly a call to them would yield the information you want … that does assume that you want to cannibalise your lathe to fit roller bearings ????

martin

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by roy entwistle on 12/11/2017 11:26:12:

Does anyone know where to buy triangular needle files, such as are used for opening the holes in clock and watch hands ( about 21/2 inches long ) I can only get round and square. they don't seem to make threesquare

Roy

Or ARC, not tried the triangular but bought the half round and round ones which work fine.

[JonParticipant @jon]

Personally i prefer a used second hand quality lathe made in England, US or some parts of Europe to anthing made in china new.
Difference is quality and longetivity due to far better castings and other steels used, downside is the cost of parts try enquiring to the 600 Group and dont be suprised to be greeted with 600- 800 for a lead screw.

Leading on have to be in right place at the right time got my English M300 for £850 and sold the Dickson tool post for £100, downside painted green and looks like a warco. First priority should be the mechanics not looks. Newer Harrisons are chinese.

Have seen with mills 942's brand new 20 yrs ago £4200, well used and clearly worn out selling for more than new price.
Of course i could do a so called renovation on M300 or refurb ie paint job, merely clean it up like so many do and flog for in excess of £2200.
Hate the Harrison yahoo group layout, it was tolerable until the revamp about 6 yrs ago.

Nearly bought the BH600 from another place 18 years ago non in stock, same with Crusader and so glad didnt get sucked in to the CUB with unusual D fitting. Either way they wouldnt have lasted half as long as a used quality lathe.
Had two chinese mills new both had massively worn leadscrews two broke and all the ways well worn in no time. Heavier ones its a right pain to gut the shop to get the thing out to replace. Even worse is cost of the parts if at all they can be found within 6 months – motor on one £256 whole new machine 2 yrs before was £650, other mill the transfer box for elevation on a Super Lux £244 whole machine new £930 12 yrs ago from £1500.

The Boxford above is made in china and highly likely made with better materials and spec than from one of the many rebrand dealers worldwide.

[charadamParticipant @charadam]

I recently bought a few Feterai from Arc Eurotrade. Best "fine cut " files I have ever used.

Some Vallorbe have disappointed as have most Bahco and Draper.

Like vintageengineer I have been fortunate in finding NOS Stubbs files in auctions, and cannot fault them.

The most useful file in my kit is an 8" safe edge Millenicut – but beware, as some Ebay sellers offer files of suspect quality.

[Michael Cox 1Participant @michaelcox1]

+1 for Tome Feteira files from ArcEuroTrade.

Mike

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Arceurotrade? But you would have to settle for ER32.

Edited By not done it yet on 09/11/2017 08:08:54

[jann westParticipant @jannwest71382]

There are 5c – er40 collet adapters available from ebay, but they originalte and are posted from the far east. Having the same problem as you I purchased one. It works, but it does stick out somewhat from the face of the spindexer.

The only caveat it that tightening the collet is a little akward due to the nature of the construction … you might consider a low-friction ball bearing collet nut like this one as a usefule improvement:

http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Collet-Nuts-Wrenches-and-Spanners/ER-Collet-Nuts-with-Ball-Bearing-Type-B