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[IanTParticipant @iant]

I have the same lack of 'quill drilling' problem on my horizontals Mark.

The Victoria has a MT3 vertical head and my thinking is that I will drill (and lap) a hole in a MT3 blank arbor to take an ER16 collet chuck (with straight 12mm shank) and basically build a larger version of the ArcEuro Trade sensitive drilling adaptor. The down feed will probably be via a lever under the head though (not acting through the spindle) – so no problems with the drawbar. I'll mill a slot in the MT3 bit and place a drive pin in the ER16 shank. Might have to slim the back of the chuck head to take a smaller bearing – or come up with a revolving pressure plate behind it to bear down on. The ER16 collet will hold drills up to 10mm – larger than I actually need generally.

You could do the same with the INT30/MT3 adaptor – and use the outside of this to hold the down-feed lever mech. Same general idea but an easier approach I think – blank arbors not being hardened and they cost a bit less if you screw it up (which of course I'm sure you won't ).

Anyway – that's what it says under "Quills" on my TUIT list….

Regards,

IanT

[Mark Davison 1Participant @markdavison1]

I've just bought a Harrison vertical mill with INT30 spindle (although not yet collected it).

I bought this despite being reluctant to buy a mill without a quill, primarily as I don't have the height for a Bridgeport type machine. I want to be able to do some drilling on the machine and stumbled across this on **LINK**

I'm looking to make something like this but using a straight shank ER collect chuck inserted directly into an INT30 to MT3 adapter (such as the one below – 87mm long extension) that has had the morse taper bored out to a parallel 25mm hole. What are my chances of boring out this supposedly hardened INT30 adapter with carbide tooling and getting a satisfactory surface finish? Or should I sleeve after boring, say with brass, and then bore that?

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Most people will know this, but for any who don't:

The older screw on drill chucks, for non reversing drills, had a male 3/8 UNF thread. Normal Right Hand thread.

The newer ones on drills that can reverse carry a left hand threaded screw in the bottom of the chuck This is to prevent the chuck unscrewing when the drill is operated in reverse. Open the jaws fully, and it becomes visible. Rotate the screw (clockwise ) to remove it.

These chucks carry a 1/2 UNF thread. Again, a normal Right Hand thread.

The removal method in both cases is to insert the chuck key into one of the holes, and give a smack with a mallet, so that the chuck unscrews.

If the chuck is fitted to a Jacobs taper, (various types and sizes ) wedges, of the appropriate size are need to prise the chuck off the taper. Wedges are available from some of the usual M E suppliers, such as Arc Euro Trade.

Just place the wedges, in opposition to each other between the chuck and the body, and squeeze the wedges together in the jaws of a vice. The chuck should then come off.

HTH

Howard

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Jeff Dayman on 27/10/2019 16:13:49:

I did scour Ebay a bit for these cone bit sets and never came across the site at your link. Ebay search is funny, it often seems to direct you to certain geographical areas, mostly Europe and UK sites for me.

It's all in the ebay site-link that's used (UK/US/AUS etc). I usually just copy the auction number and plug it into the Canadian eBay Site

Then it deals with me in Canadian.

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Hi Bill, Thanks for that link! I just ordered a set at your Ebay US $ link. The shipping is free to Canada from China, but the set will be a while, estimated arrival Jan-Feb 2020. I'm not in a rush so that is fine, and the price was right.

I did scour Ebay a bit for these cone bit sets and never came across the site at your link. Ebay search is funny, it often seems to direct you to certain geographical areas, mostly Europe and UK sites for me. Probably an AI bot looking at my purchase patterns. Anyway job done and thanks again.

[Douglas JohnstonParticipant @douglasjohnston98463]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 25/10/2019 10:55:33:

Posted by Douglas Johnston on 25/10/2019 10:14:38:

The Arc Euro screws are top quality Sumitomo ones, but look at the price of them. […]

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For convenience: **LINK**

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Lathe-Turning-Tools-Indexable/Sumitomo-Indexable-Turning-Tools/Sumitomo-Spare-Insert-Locking-Screws-and-Torx-Wrenches

MichaelG.

Thanks for that link Michael, my catalogue is clearly out of date, I see the price of the wrenches is now £9.64. I think I will need to lie down from the shock. When I bought a parting tool with 10 inserts from China recently it cost less than £5,including postage,and came complete with a very decent wrench as part of the package.

Doug

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 25/10/2019 10:55:33:

Posted by Douglas Johnston on 25/10/2019 10:14:38:

The Arc Euro screws are top quality Sumitomo ones, but look at the price of them. […]

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For convenience: **LINK**

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Lathe-Turning-Tools-Indexable/Sumitomo-Indexable-Turning-Tools/Sumitomo-Spare-Insert-Locking-Screws-and-Torx-Wrenches

MichaelG.

Must be made of gold

Tony

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Douglas Johnston on 25/10/2019 10:14:38:

The Arc Euro screws are top quality Sumitomo ones, but look at the price of them. […]

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For convenience: **LINK**

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Lathe-Turning-Tools-Indexable/Sumitomo-Indexable-Turning-Tools/Sumitomo-Spare-Insert-Locking-Screws-and-Torx-Wrenches

MichaelG.

[Douglas JohnstonParticipant @douglasjohnston98463]

The Arc Euro screws are top quality Sumitomo ones, but look at the price of them. Then look at the price of the wrenches ( £8.50 for one T8 wrench ) .I know I am a cheapskate but my goodness I would need to give my wallet an anaesthetic before I could make it part with that money.

Doug

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Arc Euro Catalogue 10 (Out of print) lists: Torx screws for carbide tips as

060-327-02545 Sumitomo BFTX0205N as 2.5 mm x 0.45 pitch x 4.5 long T8 wrench

060-327-02555 BFTX0206N 2.5 mm x 0.45 pitch x 5.5 long T8 Wrench

060-327-04.90 BFTX0409N M4 x 0.7 pitch x 5.6 long T15 Wrench

HTH

Howard

[thaiguzziParticipant @thaiguzzi]

Posted by D.A.Godley on 20/10/2019 15:28:15:

Jason ;

Moan , Me moan ? But thank you for pointing out the subliminal influence on purchasing , brought about by Arcs involvement with the forum , however , I really do think that it’s too much to claim that the forum might fold should they not continue to take advertising space , Nor do I consider it necessary for them to increase prices in order to be present at the Shows , and the suggestion that disturbance , logistics , etc , cause them , and not just them , such financial discomfort that it’s impossible to attend, seems a bit weak when you consider Tracy’s situation , or RDG , who I believe also have interests to satisfy outside of the modelling fraternity.

Rather than shrink away , this year , RDG actually increased their stand area by introducing their proxxon range . I have no connection with RDG , or any of the others , but I respect them for attending shows with goods relevant to my needs .

Circlip : sorry but I would have to pay with the old silver threepenny piece , I have already ditched my euros , by the way , What is CNC ? 🧐.

Ah, the Little Englanders are back.

Love a moan? A good winge? Too right…..

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

I've been using a Stevenson's sharpening fixture of late and this uses an angle of 2°. If it was good enough for him, it's good enough for me and gives perfectly acceptable results.

Have a look here

John

[D.A.GodleyParticipant @d-a-godley]

Jason ;

Moan , Me moan ? But thank you for pointing out the subliminal influence on purchasing , brought about by Arcs involvement with the forum , however , I really do think that it’s too much to claim that the forum might fold should they not continue to take advertising space , Nor do I consider it necessary for them to increase prices in order to be present at the Shows , and the suggestion that disturbance , logistics , etc , cause them , and not just them , such financial discomfort that it’s impossible to attend, seems a bit weak when you consider Tracy’s situation , or RDG , who I believe also have interests to satisfy outside of the modelling fraternity.

Rather than shrink away , this year , RDG actually increased their stand area by introducing their proxxon range . I have no connection with RDG , or any of the others , but I respect them for attending shows with goods relevant to my needs .

Circlip : sorry but I would have to pay with the old silver threepenny piece , I have already ditched my euros , by the way , What is CNC ? 🧐.

[Nick HughesParticipant @nickhughes97026]

A bit late, but I just came across these when searching for something completely different and remembered this thread:-

From here:- Small Bonnet Stay Auto-Close

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

I have looked on the Warco site at the current mill, and as there is so much plastic bodywork around the head that it would be difficult to add a digital scale. The scales that I have bought are intended to be vertical, so the numbers are the right way round. Arceurotade have some of these.

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

I have a selection of ER25 collets & holders bought from CTC & ArcEuro & have found them to be of satisfactory quality for what I make so would concur with some of the comments from other users,I have also had a lot of other items from ArcEuro, so can only suggest you look at them, plus you will have the advantage of direct contact with the retailer should anything be unsatisfactory. Usual disclaimer applies.

George.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by 34046 on 14/10/2019 09:42:35:

Posted by Baz on 14/10/2019 09:35:18:

I am sure that it’s been said before but I feel it needs repeating, you get what you pay for, pay next to nowt and you will get rubbish, pay a good price and you will get good stuff, pay top dollar and you get top quality.

With Baz on this one – extremely good advice.

Bill

Once good advice, I think that's too simple these days. The market is too diverse. For example, if you pay top dollar for an ER collet, what do you actually get for your money? What makes collets really expensive is their ability to spin at high rpm – up to 60000rpm in some cases. In addition to being accurately made, a specially strong steel is used, the collet is carefully balanced, and then individually tested and certificated. All this adds to the cost, and is a complete waste of money unless you do high-speed machining and own a suitable chuck.

Trouble with ebay is cost isn't much of a clue. The item might be a genuine bargain (many are) or it might be cheap and nasty. It might even be a fake. Ebay, Bangood and similar all offer potential savings but they're not as reliable as buying from a reputable source.

I buy from ebay whenever I'm happy to take a mild risk. Usually I've been happy with what arrived. Mostly I want more certainty from tools and buy from Tracy, ArcEuro, Warco and other Names because they put more effort into selecting products and meet their obligations if it goes wrong. Only rarely do I go to the bother of buying high-end tooling – for what I do the best available just isn't worth it.

Dave

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

I bought my ER25 collets and holder from Chronos, about 20 years ago, and have had no problems.

My ER20 collets, used for drill grinding came from Arc Euro Trade.

With a supplier in your own country, if there is a problem, you have some hope of advice and a solution. From a low cost supplier thousands of miles away, I wouldn't expect too much interest or help.

Getting a set of low cost items may cost you material, frustration and stress, in the longer term; before you then lay out more money for decent quality.

F W I W, buy from a supplier with a good reputation, where you will get service after sales, if there is a problem.

Howard

[Bill PudneyParticipant @billpudney37759]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 14/10/2019 00:45:39:

Posted by Mike Crossfield on 13/10/2019 23:03:41:

I’ve bought ER25 collets a couple of times from CTC and been very happy with the quality and price.

+1

I've bought both ER11 and ER32 collets and chucks from CTC, as well as other stuff…boring head, cutters etc. All good gear. Once again I have no doubt that there is better quality stuff available, but all of CTC kit has been fit for purpose. My only problem with CTC is that delivery can take a while, not as quick as Arc Euro for instance.

cheers

Bill

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by Lainchy on 13/10/2019 21:31:10:

I did the Axminster Small lathe engineering course, and they used the SC4's for machining. I was very impressed with those, although I believe they are about £1800 inc VAT. Arc Euro do the same SC4 badged Sieg for less. I believe these are brushless. Quality control…..??? Maybe Axminster do some hence the steeper price… don't know if Arc do similar. These two are 210 swing, so slightly smaller.

Hi Lainchy,

Just for clarity:

1. SC4 is made by SIEG, so original maker badge SIEG. Axminster sells the same machine badged as Axminster – SIEG. It is part of the requirement by SIEG.

2. No importer, be it Axminster, ARC, or other does QC in the U.K. regardless of what impression is given by marketing.

3. SC4 is brushless, available in two bed lengths. ARC sells the longer bed length only.

4. ARC has been selling ORIGINAL SIEG made machines for a longer period of time than Axminster. ARC received the first SC4 in the world for testing, which ARC rejected at that time for technical reasons. After the technical issues were addressed, ARC added the SC4 to their range.

5. The reasons why Axminster price may be high could be due to their overheads, and their ability to offer 3 years guarantee, where as ARC only offers a 1 year guarantee. Also, ARC concentrates on a limited number of models from the SIEG range, based on various factors. Generally, based on model, the quantity of stock which ARC carries for each of these models is higher than most of SIEGs distributors around the world. As a result, ARCs purchase price from SIEG may be different – lower than others. Also, ARC buys direct from SIEG, without involvement of one or two additional Chinese buying agents/trading companies working on behalf of certain importers.

6. ARC is involved directly with certain marketing and certain R&D at the SIEG factory. ARC is only interested in working on machines with the SIEG factory, rather than a variety of factories. This allows ARC to work with one set of working ideas from one source, concentrating only on one variety of gremlins. This close co-operation helps to develop long term relations and understanding.. even though strained at times… with agreeing to disagree on occasions.

7. History: The word 'Super' was used by SIEG to promote machines with higher specification than the base model. Unfortunately, competitors – especially in the mini-lathe brigade decided to use/abuse this word as a marketing tool to promote lower specifications of their own machines. At this point, sales for SIEG started to suffer because of competitor marketing abuse of the word 'Super'. This was a marketing problem which both ARC and SIEG had to solve. One day, looking at Little Machine Shop's website in the U.S., ARC noticed that they had abbreviated 'Super C3' to 'SC3. Looking at this, ARC had lengthy discussion with the marketing team at SIEG to adopt this format, moving away from the word 'Super', and putting the focus onto 'HiTorque' and 'Brushless'. For this reason, you see the terminology SC or SX.. followed by the model number… with further focus on HiTorque and Brushless.

8. Other than Little Machine Shop in the U.S., ARC carries the highest range of SIEG spares in the world.

9. If you subscribe to the MEW magazine, you will see a beginners series of articles sponsored by ARC over the past 12 to 14 months, written by Neil Wyatt based on the SC4 lathe, and by Jason Ballamy on the SX2.7 mill. These series were commissioned with input by ARC (based on questions ARC has come across over the years) to help new people coming into the hobby, how to use various tools on a lathe or in a mill. Now a days, most people entering this hobby have plenty of enthusiasm, but very limited knowledge or practical experience of 'making things' because many have had no or little training in schools, collages or universities.The series helps those who are unable to attend a practical course for one reason or another.

I see these kind of questioning over price every one or two years as new people enter the hobby or this forum. On another thread, I even noticed a suggestion that Axminsters price may be higher because somehow their same specification machine was built better from them, or, at one time, I saw the marketing statement 'V.2' to justify the higher price for a machine which was the same as sold by ARC. If a competitor is selling a machine made specifically by SIEG, of the same specification model number, then the build quality is the same as one made for ARC.

In future, if such comments are made, I will be grateful if the poster of such a comment can be directed to this thread, as it would be wrong to suggest that a like for like SIEG machine sold by ARC is different from a competitor.

I request every ones understanding on this issue with the greatest of respect.

Ketan at ARC.

[LainchyParticipant @lainchy]

Hi Nick,

I have the Chester DB7, which is obviously smaller, and I reasonably happy with it, although brushless would have been nicer

What I would say though… your budget for the DB10 is about £1500. Is that brushless? I did the Axminster Small lathe engineering course, and they used the SC4's for machining. I was very impressed with those, although I believe they are about £1800 inc VAT. Arc Euro do the same SC4 badged Sieg for less. I believe these are brushless. Quality control…..??? Maybe Axminster do some hence the steeper price… don't know if Arc do similar. These two are 210 swing, so slightly smaller.

I'll be having a look at Chesters stand at Warwick myself too If it's as beefy and powerful as the Sieg/Axminster… then it has to be worth a look!

Possibly down to provided accessories to take into account also.

Edited By Lainchy on 13/10/2019 21:49:54

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

In many cases, similar machines are imported by a variety of companies. The contents of the package may vary, like the colour scheme.

One package may include a rotating centre, another may not, but include a faceplate, and so on.

Possible suppliers, as well as Chester, Amadeal, Arc Euro Trade, Axminster, SPG, Warco, and so on

Machine suppliers seem to be getting scarcer at shows, (not surprising given the costs of stands, and the likely sales resulting ) So you will need to use the internet and probably do some travelling, to visit either the Importer's showroom, or some kind soul who has the machine that you have in mind.

Have a look at the various machines, as well as the specs, and packages.

Do some research on after sales service, spares supply etc. as well as spec and price, before you start writing cheques. Ask, on here, for owner's experiences with similar machines. You could get some informative replies!

Sadly, far eastern machines can have faults when they are delivered. How the problem is resolved will make a big difference to your estimation of your purchase, a few months down the line. It may be cheap to buy, but not a good buy if no one is interested in your problem!  The sour taste of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a low price.

Recently I found the importer of my machine (Bought, little used, from the original owner ) quoted a price for parts which was twice (more if you include air freight ) than the supplier that I prefer to use quoted, and supplied within a week!

Howard

Edited By Howard Lewis on 13/10/2019 21:23:10

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ian P on 12/10/2019 16:53:13:

I dont have or use R8, but this one looks the same as the one Arc have so what is oversized about it?

Ian P

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… the bore is oversized for R8

A rather dubious arrangement [whoever supplies it] methinks.

MichaelG.

Arc 1” : https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/R8-Collets/R8-Collets-Round-1

Arc 20mm : https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/R8-Collets/R8-Collets-Round-20mm

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 12/10/2019 17:09:39

[michael jones 16Participant @michaeljones16]

Hi all.

Many thanks for taking the trouble to assist.

I think the last post has almost hit the nail on the head. Except in my instance Blind Freddy was recovering from a Friday lunchtime binge and day dreaming about a weekend binge with his mates! It appears to me that these tapered gib thingies can't hold the head securely on their own with out some support from the locking screws. My guess at the moment is that since the gib thrust is applied from the ends of the gib strip a degree of buckling of the gib may be allowed to take place that allows the head to move about on the dovetails. Looks like Blind Freddy was given the freedom to fashion the dovetails on the column and possibly the milling head as well. My impressions at the moment is that the angled part of the dovetail looks somewhat convex rather than flat , even where the possibility of wear if any is unlikely to have taken place. But I really need to investigate this aspect further.

I had considered using the quill to apply feed in the first instance but I am re aqauintting myself with the art of milling and also I am exploring the envelope of performance / abilities of this machine. ( My only exposure to mechanical engineering was a year spent in basic training at the onset of my career some 50 + years ago. You couldn't call basic these days as we covered every aspect from foundry work through to metal spinning , sadly though we didn't get time to do any gear cutting or hand scraping. So I'm a bit rusty.) Thinking that the quill would add additional length to the cutter and there by add another variable to the exercise.. it's certainly discovered a major limitation. The same goes for first drilling under sized holes/ slot to start in the first instance.

To answer a few questions , the material was BMS. As for the cutters , the first two I used were from one of those boxed sets I think I possibly bought from a reputable trade stand at an exhibition but one of the others was from a cutter purchase from Arceurotrade and two would you believe were industrial throw outs long since past their supposed life with tip cutting edges freehand sharpened by myself on the bench grinder! The last were done in a fit of frustration and an element of try and see approach. Surprising they cut very very freely compared with the purchased items . I expected head shake and hence the first plunge to form the slot to be far worse …… not the case there was no difference. So it's down to the mill.

I guess my main problem is having spirits raised by my satisfaction with the machine up until this issue and of course be encouraged by the fact that some gifted people have been sucesful in converting this type of machine to CNC. ( Which was one of my main aims.) Now has painfully been dashed on the rocks.

Once again thank you all for your kind assistance. I think i'll go off and see if I can find a comprise adjustment for the gib. I might also consider fitting some setting screws to the head to limit limit the freedom of the gib when the standard locking is loosened.

Oh by the way does anyone know what the angle of the dovetail should be?

Regards all . mjj