Search Results for 'arc euro'

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Hi Ches,

This is a bit quirky on our site, post registration. Something we have failed to resolve to our satisfaction. Apologies.

At present, for registered customers, option to subscribe to newsletter is available on the site at the checkout, if you have not signed up in the past. However, if you had signed up in the past and then decided to unsubscribe, this option is not available again in the future. Periodically, for good housekeeping, along with GDPR compliance, customer accounts are deleted from web ordering system and mailing list, and our ACTIVE accounting system, based on account inactivity thresholds. (To comply with HMRC accounting, records of customer activity are kept in our ARCHIVE for between seven to eight financial years.)

The simplest way to sign up to the newsletter in your case will be to call and speak with our Ian on Monday, or send an email to [email protected] . In your email, please state your name, address, telephone number. For security reasons, the email and all the details requested should be as used by you at time of registration. This also helps us to identify you and apply your request correctly in our records. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Ketan at ARC

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Speaking as a Myford owner and a ARC Eurotrade customer (mill and tooling), I suggest you purchase the SC3. It will do most of what you want, their service is excellent and If you do decide to get something bigger later it won't have lost much value unless you abuse it.
Buying a decades old lathe is a risk especially if you have nothing to compare it to. Yes they can be great projects and even a early ML7 is very capable if it's in good condition. But most are not and parts are expensive. Even the bolts are old sizes so you will have to get at least a couple of BSF spanners etc. If you have not used a lathe before it will be hard to know what is right and my blame yourself for issues caused by the lathe and vice-versa.

Remove some variables, don't learn about outdated systems (single phase motors that need a clutch for example) Get the SC3-300 HiTorq

Robert G8RPI.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Good myfords (and some, err, less good ones) seem to fetch high prices.

I have neither a myford, nor a chinese lathe. The attraction of a new lathe, for a beginner, might well outweigh the urge to buy second hand. Arceuro are a respected supplier and are well-recommended on the forum. I’ve never bought a main machine from them, but most of my other requirements are sourced from there.

[Mike FreemanParticipant @mikefreeman95253]

Hi

I am a complete novice in terms of machining and am coming from a 3D printing & 3D design background.

I'd like to learn some machining skills and have been looking at lathes with a view to building some steam engine kits and eventually getting into steam loco building.

I don't have a large budget and was looking at old Myfords on ebay but then started looking at the Chinese offerings and found the Sieg SC3 on Arceuro.

I have no issue with Chinese machines and know from 3D printing that you can get some capable machines and the fettling and upgrading is all part of the fun.

I don't however want to buy a machine that just isn't capable of doing what I want or have to buy twice so my question is, would the Sieg SC3 be capable of machining things like the Stuart models engine kits and then also be able to do the machining required for something like a 5" loco?

Regards

Mike

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

Lever style indicatoirs need to be very free moving over the full range to be satisfactory.

Any friction in the pivot due to corrosion or abuse will make them at best hard to use and at worse useless. There is a hair spring in the movement that is important to correct operation. generally either unobtanium or, in the context of ordinary guy pocket depth, unaffordable to repair.

Using one that "sort of works, usually" is a truely miserable experience, how do I know.

New import from a reliable supplier isn't silly expensive for something that needs to work well. £40 (ish) from ArcEurotrade.

Or you can usually find a Verdict in good order, with accessories in its case for £30 (ish).

Facebook Marketplace can surprise you too with things close enough to go and look at, asking for things to be sent is just too unsafe.

Clive

[JellyParticipant @jelly]

Posted by Daedalus on 25/10/2022 21:04:36:

Jelly, re your post and comment

"I suspect that a rebuilt (and warrantied) DSG or a new "Trens" ex Slovenia would both be cheaper than and more satisfying than a new Colchester (or a new Chester)."

I will have a look at the Trens tomorrow, but I suspect they will be out of my price range. The only one I could find on line was 20 years old and $9,000 almost. I will also give DSG a call, but I think that the majority of their machines, beautiful as they are, will also be too rich and probably a bit bigger than I want. I always recall the headstocks being huge and I'm not sure if they made metric versions.

My guess is that a UK/European Manufactured/Re-Manufactured lathe would probably be pushing at the the limits of your budget, but by the same token you are in the position where you could actually spend your whole lathe budget on a lathe, and be up and running from the day you take delivery, so maybe it's worth it?

The DSG's and the TOS/Trens's are both pretty heavy beasts, just massive (literally) amounts of cast iron used everywhere (especially in the headstock); my TOS toolroom lathe weighs in a 2 tonnes for a 320 x 1000 capacity, and a 13"x36" DSG is about 2.8 tonnes – both comparable in size with a Warco GH1330 which weighs about 580kg.

To match or slightly exceed the Triumph in size (Trens SU50 or DSG Type 15), you're looking at 3.8 – 4.5 tonnes with either of those brands.

DSG did do metric lathes and I would think most re-builds get new metric leadscrews and nuts…

As a near-complete aside in relation to DSG and leadscrews; I did see one (It could have been a Lang, but I'm pretty sure it was DSG) configured with dual leadscrews, a selector, two half-nut levers, and an interesting dual layer thread chasing dial, unsure if that was a factory special or a user improvement but always thought it was cool.

 

Posted by Daedalus on 25/10/2022 21:04:36:

I have actually used a TOS lathe previously, when I was in the Merchant Navy. One of the ships I was on in the very early 80's, was one of 5 built in Poland and they had TOS lathes on them. They were as I recall quite big machines with probably a 2 mtr bed on them. But the machine had everything you could wish for on a centre lathe. Lots of speeds, lots of threading, and I'm sure a high speed lever for the feeds. You could get the saddle from one end of the bed to the other in seconds. Though I may be mixing that one up with a Stanko on a ship built in Russia.

The TOS's from Trencin, the polish brands from Andrechowska, and the Stanko's all shared the rapid travel feature as part of their generally high specification, the difference (to my knowledge) is that the TOS and Polish lathes have a 4-way joystick on the apron, whilst the Stanko has a conventional feed selectors (two-position, or three when equipped with power top-slide) driven off the feed-shaft, and the rapid feeds are push-button controlled running a separate 3-phase motor mounted directly to the side of the apron.

 

Edited By Jelly on 26/10/2022 13:35:42

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Just spotted this offering by ARC : **LINK**

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machine-Spares/SC3-Mini-Lathe-Spares/SIEG-Mini-Lathe-DRCD-to-Manual-Conversion-Kit

It would be interesting to know what has driven this

MichaelG.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

All I can say KiwiBloke, you are lucky the bank hasn't told you to close your account. After BREXIT, Barclays Bank is closing accounts of "Europeans" if they don't have a UK address. Yes most of us could offer an address of someone in the family, but that is not strictly legal. AND Barclays are not on their own in closing accounts.

Bob

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Lack of accuracy may well be why ARC now sell the "upgrade kit" to replace the Sieg Factory fitted readouts which you can see in the second photo are also quite bulky as I imagine any wire system would be too.

Machine DRO do an embeded cross slide kit which just has a bit sticking out the back so you avoid the often seen glass scale down one side. Also possible to make your own up, there was a thread doing it to a Warco 280 for not a lot of cost. I think the New Myfords also have this option of hidden scales.

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

YouraT

Interesting link to BWElectronics. I thought the proprietor retired some years ago and that the design had become obsolete due to some parts no longer being available. Either outright or at a sensible price.

My experience is that they work well but, like all pull wire sensors, are sensitive to wire vibration. To my mind the killer app was neatly adding a digital readout to a Bridgeport or similar machine quill. It fits nicely just under the bulge in the head casting above the depth setting micrometer device. The wire doesn't get in the way of anything unlike the capacitive scales (Quillstar et al) which cover the depth setting device and the common optical scales which have to be clumsily mounted off to one side.

As Jason says the ability to fit magnetic tape inside with low profile read heads have pretty much made other solutions for cross slide readout on smaller machines obsolete.

Roll your own is a nice project but don't kid yourself that it will be up to commercial standards.

Possibly the best implementation of the leadscrew readout was that offered by ArcEurotrade to fit a couple of models of Seig lathe for a short while some years back. It sat between the handle and the slide with a digital display. Neat and effective but it just didn't catch on. No real advantages over a dial to justify the cost.

Clive

[steve harris 3Participant @steveharris3]

also went to the show today, (Friday) stocked up on various bits of metal for future projects, particularly cast iron as that's sometimes hard to find online. not sure it was much cheaper but saved on the postage and also got some "that'll come in handy one day" bits too. the tools sellers were doing brisk business as well, seemed a good range of stuff, but got quite crowded by twelve.

i travelled down from Sunderland early in the morning as I had another call to make beforehand, not sure I would make the journey just for the show but pleased I went.

one thing to note, the parking is on grass and gravel so if you are not so good on your feet be careful, there was a good amount of disabled parking but again on gravel / grass.

called into Arc euro trade on the way back, that was well worth it spent some more money, had a chat with the folks there and got some excellent advice about ways to fit a DRO to my lathe and mill too so all in all a grand day out as the saying goes

Steve

[RobinParticipant @robin]

I just fixed my satellite box. The cables appeared to be at fault. I'd remount the plugs on the wires and it would show 2 good connections, loud and clear, until I tried to watch something then splatt, one or both would fail.

I thought I have seen this before.

I opened up the box, resoldered the other side of the plug to the pcb, put it all back together and now it works.

It was that ghastly, lead-free Euro-solder which needed to be replaced with some good, British, 60/40

[Paul ShackletonParticipant @paulshackleton72072]

Thanks for both sugetions, converting it to R8 sounds like the best long term solution pity John Stevenson isnt around any more.

Arc Euro Trade looks like a useful source, i have had a look on there website, it doesnt look like they do anything to fit but i have sent an enquiry just in case they can sugest anything. I have a Colchester Triumph 2000 lathe so have the most of the basic kit, never owned a miller before although i have worked with them a bit in the past at a relitive engineering works.

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

Hi Paul welcom to the forum. Arc Eurotrade is as good as anywhere to start have a look at their web site for a drill chuck, cutters and measuring equipment starting with a electronic caliper and a micromiter or two. A clamping set may be usefull as well if there is not included as well as a vice for holding jobs whilst milling and drilling.

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/

David

Edited By David George 1 on 08/10/2022 13:45:44

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

There is some personal experience behind that, leading to my defending the planners' strange order to bury a lot of water, as possibly a directive from On High they were in no position to question however barmy.

I worked years ago for a small, local contract electronic engineering company that as it handled a lot of MoD work went for, or was "persuaded to" go for, DEF-STAN-0524.

This is or was a product-guarantee scheme based on traceability of parts and materials back to their manufacturers, creating great long paper-trails, but it worked. We see a small example in model-engineering with the requirement to have our club boiler-test gauges periodically, traceably calibrated

It was though quite an upheaval, and A Man From The Ministry basically worked with us for several months, helping the managers set up the necessary systems and a few other more local requirements. It worked, too. And without a computer in sight! (Maybe that's why it worked, and efficiently, too. ) The company gained the certification and more MoD orders.

'

Roll on the years and I was working for a Major National Organisation that had been part of the Scientific Civil Service but sold off by Blair & Brown for a cappuchino or two. Its primary customer, still a Govt. Body, now insisted we have ISO9001 – for no clear reason other than being Very Fashionable at the time, because our work had not changed.

This time the Directors went into a tizz and a panic, and instead of sitting down calmly with another Man From The Ministry to learn what was necessary, appeared to have bought an American business-college text-book written by a Doctor in Bureaucracy-ology. This buried any Good Intentions under a cascade of the most inane, patronising twaddle you can imagine.

We all attended day-courses to give us a flavour of what ISO900x is meant to be, and learnt it was created from the UK's DEF-STAN and other European countries' equivalents, to satisfy American governmental and Pentagon policy to refuse any QA scheme not invented in the USA.

'

It was soon clear that unlike DEF-STAN, ISO900x is not a QA or product-guarantee scheme at all! It encourages companies to establish such schemes but is primarily a heirarchical management-control plan that effectively suppress its "Evil Eyes" – Initiative, Individuality, Inventiveness, Intelligence, Ingenuity… basically any positive characteristic beginning with "I" but not associated with bitten fruit.

We had to Put 'Procedures' ['Work Instructions' or 'Guides' – they differed in some way] In Place….. . documents set to a company-made template whose first 10 or so pages of rhubarb included some "Left intentionally blank" for no known purpose. The bit that mattered – the instructions for the described process – was relegated to an Appendix, labelled as "Appendix" !

'

I used one I wrote as internal-auditor bait. These characters, about four of them, would stalk the place, clipboards drawn as in Spaghetti Western meets Kafka. I had hung the 'Work Instructions' for a particular piece of test-equipment, prominently from it; in the eye-line of the posse on entering the room. They would examine its title, verify it belonged to the equipment cited, and that the vast Master Copy file-name on the cover matched their list, note the odd calibration label here and there, and depart happy. The poor dears had no idea that the 'Appendix' was useless. For just as I had finished writing it my manager rebuilt the plant, making it work in a different way, with new software on its controlling PC – too late for a new set of instructions to be written. The internal auditors never asked if the instructions were correct and up-to-date, only that the document itself existed!

When the certifying auditors arrived they took one look and told the management they had gone far beyond what was needed, and could throw away great swathes of the stuff!

'

"Left intentionally blank"….

A friend elsewhere delights in puncturing the puffery. telling me having once asked in some important [?} meeting "what are 'synergies'?" ; and on its user hazarding a guess that it simply means "co-operation", demanded to know why not just say "co-operation" , and anyway how can "synergy" be plural?

On blank pages though, she recounted having bemused a senior manager by pointing out a page bearing the words, "This page left intentionally blank" , is not blank at all.

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

Are these open slots in which case just use a slitting saw? Link to Arceurotrade imperial slitting saws 

If they are closed slots maybe a 1/16" milling cutter plunging in overlapping positions will do what you need to do.

Martin C

Edited By Martin Connelly on 06/10/2022 17:51:48

[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

It's very easy to make an expanding mandrel to suit the job in hand from quite tiny to fairly substantial.

Best made from free cutting mild steel, they can be made from brass or ali but the latter do run a risk of the job spinning and galling making removal potentially difficult.

 

The mandrel is roughed to the shape shown to with .5mm on diameter, drilled and tapped for the expanding screw – I've done them from 8BA to 8mm – as an average 2BA/4mm is fine for most needs and deeply centred with a centre drill.

The screws are nominally cap heads that have been previously turned to have a 60 degree taper on them.

Remove from the lathe and cut the slots – 2 – 4 or 6 depending on size – with a hacksaw, return and clean out the thread and insert screw to just nip up. Turn the OD to suit the work , Using 60 degree as opposed to a standard countersink means a lot less torque required on the screw for a given grip and use.

This is one as shown above in use to reface a slightly misaligned surface

And here's an example of a tiny one – 8BA screw

 

They can be reused by careful setting in a four jaw but I prefer to recycle them down wards so each is fresh to the new job.

Yes I do have a set of arc euro ones (not the same as OP) but have never used them – Nicely finished and ground their range never has never fitted any job.

Not to take a sale away from Ketan but the cost of one would buy a fair amount of EN1a to provide a good range – just needs a little bit of time and of course there's only the need to make the one required at the time – not a 'set of them'

Hope that's of use

 

Tug

 

Edited By Ramon Wilson on 05/10/2022 10:53:18

[peak4Participant @peak4]

Tobler do them, but I suspect the price might be rather higher.
https://www.tobler-workholding.com/en/standard-expanding-mandrels/

So do RC-Machines, but only morse taper arbors, rather than the ARC Eurotrade parallel ones
https://www.rcm-machines.com/en/machine-accessories/expanding-mandrels

I have some of the ARC ones; they do seem to work quite well, if a bit rough around the edges.

Various people do 5C ones, but they seem mainly designed for one off jobs and need turning to size for each one.

You could also look up "Expanding Arbor"  on ebay for something similar; look for 8 of them standing up in a wooden block.

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 04/10/2022 23:46:57

[Robin GrahamParticipant @robingraham42208]

A set of expanding mandrels would be good for something I'm doing, and looking at Arc Euro's paper catalogue #10 I thought I'd found the ideal things:

However, it seems that Arc no longer do them, and I've drawn a blank looking for the same things from the 'usual suspects'.

Anyone know of a supplier?

Robin.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

If you have a modern Chinese lathe, MEW editor Neil Wyatt's book Lathework for Beginners may be more relevant. See the Arc Eurotrade ad at the top right corner of the forum page.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Derek Lane on 22/09/2022 10:45:25:

I keep promising myself to buy a Noga tool where do you think is the best place to buy one from as a number of places sell them. E Bay has some but how do you know that they are genuine tools as some say they are Noga yet do not have the name on the handle. I do not use Amazon or Arceuro 1 I would not trust with a barge pole and the other does not take Paypal

There are a few on eBay.

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 22/09/2022 11:54:51:

Posted by Derek Lane on 22/09/2022 10:45:25:

I keep promising myself to buy a Noga tool where do you think is the best place to buy one from as a number of places sell them. E Bay has some but how do you know that they are genuine tools as some say they are Noga yet do not have the name on the handle. I do not use Amazon or Arceuro 1 I would not trust with a barge pole and the other does not take Paypal

Are you seriously saying you only use PayPal?

Tony

Yes why else would I say it

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Derek Lane on 22/09/2022 10:45:25:

I keep promising myself to buy a Noga tool where do you think is the best place to buy one from as a number of places sell them. E Bay has some but how do you know that they are genuine tools as some say they are Noga yet do not have the name on the handle. I do not use Amazon or Arceuro 1 I would not trust with a barge pole and the other does not take Paypal

Are you seriously saying you only use PayPal?

Tony

[DalboyParticipant @dalboy]

I keep promising myself to buy a Noga tool where do you think is the best place to buy one from as a number of places sell them. E Bay has some but how do you know that they are genuine tools as some say they are Noga yet do not have the name on the handle. I do not use Amazon or Arceuro 1 I would not trust with a barge pole and the other does not take Paypal

[DC31kParticipant @dc31k]

It seems that the belt spec. is rather rare, confined to Asian-made machines.

There is one available from LittleMachineShop:

https://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2811&category

That gives the makes and models of machines it fits, so you could look for UK equivalents (maybe Warco, Amadeal etc.) or even to European suppliers (I think Optimum and maybe HBM are brands that are used there).