Travelling in Tiers

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Just looking at today’s News feed, and read this:

<< People living in tier three areas should avoid travelling in and out of the region where they live, including overnight stays, unless it is “essential”. >>

Essential reasons to travel in and out of regions under “very high alert” include travelling for work, education, youth services, to receive medical treatment, or because of caring responsibilities.

Where I live, the main A6 runs out of High Peak and into Cheshire East, then into High Lane [and vice versa] … Tier 3 – Tier 2 – Tier 3 in a distance of approximately 3miles.

How is this supposed to work ?

MichaelG.

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Through travel doesn't count

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

A cornish publican on Radio Devon has been mentioning getting 'people he didn't recognise' and his pub is buzzing. That's Tier 2 going into Tier 1.
I can't understand people who are so desparate to go for a drink, or to any other non food shops for that matter.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Dave Halford on 02/12/2020 18:57:05:

Through travel doesn't count

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Thanks, Dave … So the follow-up question must be:

What purpose are the different Tiers serving ?

… and is walking that short distance also acceptable ?

MichaelG.

[HOWARDTParticipant @howardt]

You are supposed to adhere to the requirements of your home tier. So if you travel to a tier 1 area from a tier 3 you cannot sit in a pub or cafe, it all has to be a takeaway. Just cancelled our New Year hotel stay for exactly that reason.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

It’s not a big deal, but just to be clear: On the current tiering :

We live in a Tier 2 location, which lies on the only road between two Tier 3 areas

Therefore I appear to be the one who is ‘trapped’ and yet they will be free to travel through my area.

All the useful shops are inaccessible to us without going into Tier 3

MichaelG.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

Posted by Bazyle on 02/12/2020 19:33:26:

A cornish publican on Radio Devon has been mentioning getting 'people he didn't recognise' and his pub is buzzing. That's Tier 2 going into Tier 1.
I can't understand people who are so desparate to go for a drink, or to any other non food shops for that matter.

Same intelligence as those who rush out to stockpile bogrolls.

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

It's tough for my sister in law. She lives in a their 3 town with the main shopping areas located in teir 2 areas.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

To be on the safe side, maybe have a scotch egg before travelling or wait until next week for a life-saving jab.

Stay safe, stay put, don't mix.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I remain bewildered: **LINK**

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-2-high-alert#travelling-out-of-a-tier-2-area

[quote]

If you live in a Tier 2 area, you must continue to follow Tier 2 rules when you travel to a Tier 1 area.

However, avoid travel to or overnight stays in Tier 3 areas other than where necessary, such as:

• for work
• for education
• to access voluntary, charitable or youth services
• to visit your support bubble
• to receive medical treatment
• for moving home
• because of caring responsibilities

You can travel through a Tier 3 area as a part of a longer journey.

[…]

[my emboldening]

I see no mention there of going to the local [Tier 3] Supermarkets for food supplies

… or should I rely upon that being a ‘caring responsibility’ ?

MichaelG.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Somewhere along the line you just have to use commonsense. I travel to england for much of my shopping – crossing a border no less and entering a whole slew of variation because ever since lockdowns it's been impossible for us to get the supermarket deliveries we were used to.
However i do take things seriously and always wear an FFP3 mask when I enter any shop and do my best to steer clear of other customers.

pgk

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Nice one Ady

MichaelG.

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

I forget where this was, but it's been reported only this week that one couple have discovered their house in in Tier Two, but the far part of their back garden is in Tier Three.

Why?

Whoever scribbled their areas' Tiers map set the arbitrary boundary along a water-course that happens to be in a culvert under the garden.

Probably the same would-be cartographer who caused a friend problems with his insurer refusing flood insurance by the house being within some remotely-set, meaningless distance from a river. His home is close to the river, horizontally – but he said it would be a handy-sized flood to reach some 200 feet up the valley side. Still, it does seem law that where possible, homes must be built on flood-plains, not up the bank as in centuries past when local knowledge and common-sense were common!

(I assume the householders with the multi-tier garden simply say "Rhubarb" and ignore it. After all, they are not going off their property – even if the rhubarb patch is beyond the culvert.)

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

I think you'll find that their house is built across a long standing boundary between 2 local authorities, not some mindless bureaucrat putting lines on maps.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Every 7 years our village beat the bounds going through several peoples gardens 'cos someone decided to build a house on the borderline.
I'm not too worried abut getting flood insurance. If I need it the underwriter is long gone as is the rest of the world – I'm at 1100ft asl.

[Adrian Smith 6Participant @adriansmith6]

Hey Bazyle,

my only answer to that is bruh.

I also don´t need a flood insurance here is no sea near only a lake but it is to far away.

Regards Adrian

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Duncan –

Unforeseen consequences maybe?

The report was that the watercourse was used as the boundary, so legally, splitting the garden. I suppose the boundary may have been established when the stream was open and perhaps before the houses were built – the history was not given -, but it now gives a ridiculous effect.

I would surmise though that really, the authorities there would take the far end of the garden as the boundary at least for pandemic control purposes. They might simply use the streets.

I don't necessarily blame the insurance-companies for examples like that of my friend. They act as if only money-mills staffed by database-jockeys with no initiative or technical knowledge. The real culprits were the flood-risk map-makers, and I believe they were in the Department of the Environment; but whoever they were they should have known better of course, and read the OS maps properly.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Passing from one tier to another is similar to hitting a ramp at roadworks.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 11/12/2020 23:50:18:

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I would surmise though that really, the authorities there would take the far end of the garden as the boundary at least for pandemic control purposes. They might simply use the streets.

…

Tier boundaries are really crude, and it's better for you and I to think of them as a shaded zone a few miles wide rather than a sharp line defined by culverts, streets or anything else human. The virus knows nothing about Tier boundaries; it simply passes from person to person, infecting whoever it can. Living anywhere near a populated part of Tier three, it would be wise for neighbouring individuals to apply full precautions even if their county town is safe.

Tiers align to local councils for administrative purposes; it tells those responsible for public health what they should be doing for the people in their area, and is followed by government funding. More to do with how budgets and resources are applied across entire areas than individuals. People getting into a flap about an artificial line that happens to cross their garden are missing the point. It's the virus they have to worry about, not exactly where they are on a map.

Dave

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 12/12/2020 17:40:04:

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Tiers align to local councils for administrative purposes; it tells those responsible for public health what they should be doing for the people in their area, and is followed by government funding. More to do with how budgets and resources are applied across entire areas than individuals.

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That takes me back to my opening post, Dave

The practical answer, of course, is that I drive or walk to the local Tesco, which is a mere three miles away.

But, in so doing, I am travelling from Tier 2 into Tier 3 and back … which is technically against the advice of both administrative areas.

MichaelG.

[HOWARDTParticipant @howardt]

Shopping is allowed in all tiers, so doing it by travelling to another tier is allowed. Only those things that are different in your tier to lower tier should be adhered to as if in your higher tier. So no stopping off in the cafe for a sit down coffee in a tier two if you come from tier 3.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

My Tier is 2, Howard … but the shop is in Tier 3

Please see my post : 03/12/2020 00:35:51

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 12/12/2020 23:26:24

[HOWARDTParticipant @howardt]

Michael, so you can travel to the shop and back, but that is about all. The cafe will be closed any way except for a possible take out.

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