Travelling in Tiers

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by HOWARDT on 13/12/2020 08:19:16:

Michael, so you can travel to the shop and back, but that is about all. The cafe will be closed any way except for a possible take out.

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I won’t labour this any further, Howard, but my point was :

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I see no mention there of going to the local [Tier 3] Supermarkets for food supplies

… or should I rely upon that being a ‘caring responsibility’ ?

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The guidance is, in my opinion, poorly written.

MichaelG.

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

The guidance is, in my opinion, poorly written. – so says Michael.

I agree, anyone who doesn't care has no responsibility – so this official expression is tautological.

Tim

[HOWARDTParticipant @howardt]

You have to be careful what ever tier you are in. In my county, tier 3, you only have to look up various post codes within the area to see vastly different infection levels. So it doesn't matter what tier you may travel into it is what the actual infection rates are in that area, we are all grouped as a county wether our local levels are below 50 or above 400.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

The guidance quoted by Michael on 03/12 says not to travel from Tier 2 into Tier3 except where necessary and then gives a list such as…….

Such as does not exclude other necessary purposes, I would think a judge would accept that getting food is necessary, buying fripperies isn't. It's almost impossible to tie everything down so a barrack room lawyer can't find a loophole, just use some common sense

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

I can't see how such boundaries can be anything but crude, and perhaps that's what the couple who owned the "split" garden had in mind, but if defined officially as a broad band rather than narrow line they would cause even more problems.

Whet we don't know is what led to them going public – nor if they found the arbitrary line a cross their property annoying or amusing. I like to think I would find it darkly amusing.

Obviously it's the virus everyone need worry about, but the lock-down and tier boundaries do cause a lot of confusion and irritation.

[norman valentineParticipant @normanvalentine78682]

Instead of picking faults with the tier that the government has put you in maybe you should just take care to protect yourself and others around you. The government will be damned whatever they do.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 14/12/2020 21:26:30:

Whet we don't know is what led to them going public – nor if they found the arbitrary line a cross their property annoying or amusing. I like to think I would find it darkly amusing.

Probably a thousand reportes were looking at the maps and desparately looking for the opportunity to make an asanine story about it. Then more dick heads make a big meal about they should be compensated for any excuse they can think of. Same as every time the government says the sun shines they look around for any idiot expert who will say it doesn't at night.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by duncan webster on 14/12/2020 19:40:20:

The guidance quoted by Michael on 03/12 says not to travel from Tier 2 into Tier3 except where necessary and then gives a list such as…….

Such as does not exclude other necessary purposes, I would think a judge would accept that getting food is necessary, buying fripperies isn't. It's almost impossible to tie everything down so a barrack room lawyer can't find a loophole, just use some common sense

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Just to be clear, Duncan … I started this thread because I wanted to better-understand the logic behind the guidance.

Legislation is the place for Lawyers [whether real or ‘barrack room] to practice their skills, but this was a question about guidance … Specifically: I asked “How is this supposed to work ?”

Although I appreciate the Government’s desire to get areas of the country back to some approximation of normal life; I am genuinely concerned by the push towards increasing ‘granularity’ … If two areas are contiguous, but in different Tiers, I repeat : How is this supposed to work ?

MichaelG.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

And now a new variant has been discovered and is spreading rapidly through southern England!

Could we be any more unlucky?

It looks like Bill Gates might be correct when he says this will be the norm into 2022.

Shop safely, don't go out, order off Amazon, be happy.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

France and Germany are contiguous but speak different languages and have different customs. How does that work? They stay at home and if they have to go to the other country they have enough brain cells to change their behaviour accordingly. It's not rocket science even a 5yr old works out they have to behave differently when they go to their friend's house.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bazyle on 14/12/2020 22:47:19:

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It's not rocket science even a 5yr old works out they have to behave differently when they go to their friend's house.

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Did you read my opening question ?

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 03/12/2020 00:35:51:

I remain bewildered: **LINK**

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-2-high-alert#travelling-out-of-a-tier-2-area

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If you live in a Tier 2 area, you must continue to follow Tier 2 rules when you travel to a Tier 1 area.

However, avoid travel to or overnight stays in Tier 3 areas other than where necessary, such as:

• for work
• for education
• to access voluntary, charitable or youth services
• to visit your support bubble
• to receive medical treatment
• for moving home
• because of caring responsibilities

You can travel through a Tier 3 area as a part of a longer journey.

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[my emboldening]

I see no mention there of going to the local [Tier 3] Supermarkets for food supplies

… or should I rely upon that being a ‘caring responsibility’ ?

MichaelG.

Strictly, then, it could be argued that you should travel through the Tier 3 area and out the other side to shop in a Tier 2 area.

In practice, unless you come across some real jobsworths, you should be fine taking a common sense approach and limiting your visits to shopping 'when necessary'.

Neil

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