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[Anthony KnightsParticipant @anthonyknights16741]

Hi Barry. It's me again. You should be able to get a potentiometer from ArcEuro who have an advert and link at the top right of this page. I have CL300 and the pot has a switch on the back which closes in the stop position. (This is the opposite way round to your normal "volume" control).

If you haven't got a manual, they are available to download from the Clarke website.

Hope this helps. Anthony

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Have a look at JB Cutting Tools, or Arc Euro.

They may have suitable alternatives.

Howard

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

The Sieg SX3 milling machine is a good one and suited in size to small to moderate sized car restoration jobs too. ArcEurotrade sell them and have a good reputation for quality and customer service.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

You would be better off with some 32weight oil which will do for all the places they say spray oil, other makes are available

[norm nortonParticipant @normnorton75434]

Are you referring to the early machines from ARC Euro, that many of us bought as a first mill, myself included?

Your interest suggests that you might be buying an older one? There are several webpages that discussed them in the past.

Norm

Edited By norm norton on 03/01/2023 11:29:08

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by old mart on 30/12/2022 15:55:13:

… As for Vevor, you should put the name in the search box and read all the comments before committing yourself. I have just bought a Vevor 160mm lathe chuck for a very low price on ebay and initial examination suggests it is excellent value for money. …

So Keith doesn't have to solve a mystery, Vevor is a big box shifter, which can be good or bad:

• Good: the larger box shifters have lots of purchasing muscle resulting in low prices. If an item bought from a UK supplier is found to be faulty by the customer, the problem is fixed by return or refund.
• Bad: box shifters aren't tool specialists! The trade-name refers to the company, not the products, which be anything between wonderful and too cheap. How good the tool is depends on the box shifter's purchasing department, and they are unlikely to be tool experts. Milling tables are generic items made by several makers in China, India and elsewhere. If it's a dud, don't expect any technical support! Unsatisfactory items are replaced or refunded, which may not be easy or cheap to arrange. If bought locally, local consumer protection applies and a successful box shifter will probably try protect to protect their reputation. This may not apply if a fly by night box shifter is based abroad.

So bit of a gamble, much riskier if the box shifter is based abroad, but lots of people do OK buying from them.

For ordinary purposes, I prefer to buy mid-range items of this type from UK specialist hobby suppliers. It's worked out OK for me. They put more-or-less effort into avoiding the worst, and – more important – will talk to the customer, hopefully without too much hassle. I think buying from reputable suppliers is safer than relying on trade-names, but there's always a risk. For what it's worth I prefer ArcEuro, Warco, and TracyTools, but I've bought from other UK vendors without major problems.

If the tool is important, I look to the industrial suppliers. Rarely necessary because I'm a light hobbyist. New industrial gear is likely to be eye-watering expensive, and Model Engineers rarely like spending money!

Second-hand industrial tooling is often good, but beware! Second-hand tooling has history. It can be worn out or need spare parts made of Unaffordium and Unobtainium.

In short, I don't know of a general source of cheap tooling made to a tight specification. Good news, I haven't come unstuck buying mid-range yet. It helps that I don't expect Far Eastern hobby equipment to be just as good as western industrial gear costing 6 to 20 times as much. If a tool does what I need of it, it's "good enough". If it isn't "good enough", I go up market.

My view of tools is entirely pragmatic; they're made to be used, not admired! But this is a hobby, and it's perfectly respectable to enjoy a workshop full of the best possible tools, if that's what you want.

Dave

[Martin ConnellyParticipant @martinconnelly55370]

Andrew, I am a hobby machinist so I would not particularly say my friend out-sources to a machine shop but in effect that is what he does. Most of the music boxes he restores are European so generally the screw threads are small metric standard but there are some unusual threads occasionally appearing. The last thing I did for him involved making some Ø7×1.1 Lowenherz form screws (once I had identified the thread form). Not something you will easily find dies for and an unusual pitch as well. These were not part of the music box mechanism but were for holding the case to the main frame.

You can see the sort of music boxes he restores if you search for "Antique Mandoline Piccolo Music Box by Paillard, c. 1880".

Martin C

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

living next door to or above cattle was fairly standard in most parts of Europe until modern times – just research the topic.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

With tangless arbors, I have had just the reverse problem, and not been able to eject the arbor.

Having finally managed to extract the arbor, my solution has been either to screw in a tang (Got mine from Arc Euro ) or to fit and extension, (Screw in or press in ) so that the self eject feature then functions.

Howard

[John McCullaParticipant @johnmcculla]

Hi all,

I have a WM250V lathe, and some credit to spend with Warco who I bought it off. As I look through their website, I keep finding the stuff that I'd like, such as a vertical milling slide and adapter, etc, is out of stock with no idea of when they'll have more, and other things that I would like seem to have better quality alternatives available elsewhere.

My latest thought was to buy a QCTP, and it appears to me that this item (https://www.warco.co.uk/quick-change-tool-posts/207-quick-change-tool-post-100-250mm.html) is the same as this one sold by Arc Euro (https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathe-Accessories/Tool-Posts/Model-100-Quick-Change-Tool-Post). I'd buy it off Arc Euro as they have a better range of holders available, but I have to spend my credit with Warco on something, and if it was the same tool post then I could buy further holders from Arc Euro going forward. Does anyone happen to know if these are the same tool post?

Edited By John McCulla on 21/12/2022 19:39:03

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Just to throw anotherspanner into the works, if you are metrically minded then you can always change to metric threads. Stuart's tend to use a lot of 5BA and 7BA which work out quite nicely to M3 and M2.5, combine that with small hex metric nut sand you will have a larger choice of taps & dies as well as a nice looking engine.

The Ones from ARC are reasonable and not expensive, I use them for general works and keep my YG-1 taps for where it matters

The ME threads can be substitured with Metric fine unless you are going to buy in UK made steam fittings which all tend to have ME threads but metric are available from Europe.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by John Holloway on 14/12/2022 20:51:57:

can anyone please recommend good quality taps and dies …

I have read about people breaking cheap Chinese taps in cast iron, I don’t want to add to this list.

…

It's my hobby horse I know, but 'good quality' is meaningless without a specification. I guess what you mean is 'which brand is super strong, super cheap, and affordable?' The answer is none of them!

To my mind cutting tools fall into three broad brackets:

• Too cheap. Likely to be poorly ground, with dimensional errors, and maybe faulty heat treatment. The class includes fakes, counterfeits, manufacturing rejects etc.
• Mid-range. I find these suitable for amateur use, that is working them moderately rather than hard and not expecting them to last forever. The occasional faulty one sneaks in,
• Industrial. These are highly reliable in the sense they're carefully made to specification but they're not necessarily super strong. They can still be broken by an unskilled operator. However, they save bother in the long run when used a lot, lasting longer than cheaper types. But! They're expensive, and you have to do cut a lot of metal to get the investment back.

Many newcomers to the hobby naturally want 'quality' tools, perhaps thinking spending a little extra will solve all their problems. It's not that simple, notably because Industrial tooling is expensive. As most of us are on a budget, there's usually a rapid retreat when the size of the bill becomes apparent!

In practice, unless something special is planned, I buy mid-range tools. It's where I get them from that matters. In my view the tactic most likely to cause disappointment is buying 'bargains' online from unknown suppliers, especially from abroad where UK consumer protection is unenforceable. Buying from UK based hobby-suppliers is much safer, and I've done OK for taps and dies from Tracy Tools, ArcEuro, and another I can't remember. They don't sell the best tooling in the world, but I've found it fit for most hobby purposes. I also have a Lidl set, where the 4mm tap was rubbish, but all the others – so far – are OK.

Carbon-steel and HSS taps and dies both work well. Carbon-steel doesn't stay sharp for as long as HSS and is inclined to be brittle.

What snaps HSS and Carbon steel is poor technique:

• Hole too small for the tap, or rod too big for the die. (In hobby work it pays to oversize holes and undersize rods slightly.)
• Failing to start and maintain the cut at an exact right-angle. Threading manually without a guide is high-risk. I avoid doing it, instead using my mill or lathe to maintain the angle accurately at all times.
• Failing to lubricate appropriately
• Keeping the cut going for too long (frequently reverse quarter turn to break the swarf so it doesn't wedge the cutting edges)
• Allowing swarf to build up, especially in the hole when tapping.
• Keep a separate set for Brass, because the metal demands sharp edges.

As a beginner I broke small taps depressingly often! Much less likely now, entirely I think because I avoid the mistakes listed above. It's not because I buy 'quality' tools!

Dave

[Ches Green UKParticipant @chesgreenuk]

Ordered a couple of small end mills and two slitting saws from Arceurotrade around 5th Dec, received them on the 12th IIRC (but it could have been a day or two before that). That timing is OK by me, especially for December..

The package was delivered by Royal Mail 24, to Central Scotland.

I don't know if it has always been the case but recent small deliveries from Arc arrive in a neat rectangular stiff cardboard package around, say, 6" x 5" x 3/4" …. these always fit through the letter box so no need to stay in for a delivery.

Ches

Edited By Ches Green UK on 14/12/2022 15:12:34

Edited By Ches Green UK on 14/12/2022 15:30:51

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by KWIL on 12/12/2022 19:24:16:

Ketan of ArcEuroTrade will advise you from a font of great knowledge. Just ask.

He also has a good reduction on 32007 bearings

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Ketan of ArcEuroTrade will advise you from a font of great knowledge. Just ask.

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

Placed an order with Arc Eurotrade yesterday 8th December for some Xmas goodies and got an email at 2:30pm saying delivery tomorrow Friday 9 December, I was due to go out so re arranged everything so I could be in all day also opted for delivery to a safe place, the porch, because then they won’t be able to put a card through the door saying no ones in. Got up this morning and at 9:01 got an email from DPD saying sorry your parcels delayed in transit, we will update you when your parcel moves. Doubt anything will happen now until Monday,. I have no complaint with Arc, their stuff is OK but I think their delivery partner is c**p, this is not the first time they have said next day delivery and pulled the delayed in transit trick on me, sorry Arc but DPD are letting you down.

[peak4Participant @peak4]

I guess it depends on how much headroom you need and the centre height of your lathe.
I have one of these, which might do the job if you have sufficient space; I've not tried it for that purpose though..
https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Workholding/Work-Tables/Angled-Work-Table

Bill

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Admittedly, it is a larger machine, but my Engineers ToolRoom BL12-24 (Warco BH600 / Chester Craftsman clone, among many others ) was commissioned at the end of September 2003. Having sorted noisy gears, the only problems have been those of my own making.. So, as you may guess, am well satisfied.

Also have a Chester Conquest, mini lathe (Sieg S3 lookalike ) and although it sees little work compared to the BL12-24, it has acquired a few extras (Inspired by the designs of Alistair Sinclair and Mike Cox )

Again, it has caused me no heartache.

Any advice sought from Arc EuroTrade has been willing given..

Howard

[Neil AParticipant @neila]

I can fully agree with Samuel, don't dither about your choice too long, spend your time making parts not worrying about the different specifications of machine. Someone once said that any lathe is better than no lathe, I can't remember who said it now, but it's good advice.

I spent pretty much the whole of Covid lockdown dithering over getting another lathe, I ended up getting an Amadeal AMABL180 earlier this year, and choose what extras I wanted. I am happy with it, it does what I want. But I will say that I was not without a lathe during my faffing around, I had a small Flexispeed sitting under the bench to carry me through the period without a larger machine.

I also have a Seig SX2P from ArcEuro and I have found both companies easy to deal with.

The companies we buy from do not make the machines themselves, we rely on them to provide backup for the products they sell and they in their turn rely on their suppliers to provide a good quality product.

At the end of the day you have to choose a machine that does what you are expecting to make, that fits in the space you have available and suits the price you want to pay. Don't forget the extra tooling you will eventually need, you don't have to get it all at the same time, just buy as required otherwise you will end up with things that you will never use.

You will find that you will probably have to make some compromises over the specification of what you would like, but choose the features that you consider most important, we have all had that problem at some time. Good luck with your choice.

Neil

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by Peter McAtominey on 05/12/2022 14:44:27:

I did look at those and noticed this in the replacement guide:

These are only suitable if you have an MT3 spindle. At the time of writing, ARC were working on a solution for the R8 spindle, which has a different size bearing at the bottom of the spindle.

I was wondering if it was due to difficulty sourcing the bearings or the cost.

Difficulty in sourcing one of the Angular Contact bearing sizes in 2RS (2 rubber seals)form needed for the R8 Spindle.

If you are prepared to experiment on the R8 spindle, you could leave the top bearing on the R8 spindle to be 6206-ZZ or 6206-2RS, or change it to 7206B-2RS (currently out of stock – expected back in, in about a week), and find someone to supply you 7007B for the bottom bearing, noting that it will be open – as not 2RS. Then, incorporate a seal into part 102 Oil Cover (see Exploded Diagram & Parts List) link on this page. I have a spare seal. If you want to try it, call and speak with our Ian and he will send it to you.

Ketan at ARC.

 

Edited By Ketan Swali on 05/12/2022 15:21:10

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

Just had a look at the boring and facing head on Arc euro site and it looks quite impressive, I think that If I had £600.00 to spend I would rather buy Arcs offering rather than a Kuroda of unknown provenance. Usual disclaimer applies, just a well satisfied customer.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I think it is only possible on the MT3 spindle machines and not the R8. Have a look here on ARC's site and also follow th elink on how to replace them

[DC31kParticipant @dc31k]

Other than the small difference in country of origin, would this one suit?

https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Boring-Tools/Universal-Boring-and-Facing-Heads

The page even answers your question about feeds.

[HowiParticipant @howi]

Having an Amadeal lathe and an ArcEuro SX2P mini mill(a package deal at the time) I can safely say that I would buy again from EITHER.

Both items have been reliable in opoeration and did not need any fettling before use.

Both have had a number of mods over the years.

The lathe came with a number of extras and a good toolkit in a plastic toolbox.

I have also purchased a rotary table from Amadeal as theirs seemed to be the best quality/price tradeoff for what I wanted as I intended to put a stepper motor on it.

I have also put an electronic lead screw on the lathe, it is only a simple afair not like the higher end offerings that can do multi thread pitches.

The main advantage is that I can get rid of the banjo with the change gears which makes the lathe almost silent in opoeration, I can get feed rates down to 0.02mm up to whatever I like depending on roughing out or finishing.

The above is just to highlight whatever you may purchase you WILL end up modifying/.adding to as you go along.

Final comment, while not essential, a quick change toolpost is a nice usefull adition.

Whichever company you choose, I doubt you would go wrong with either, YOU just have to make your choice

Edited By Howi on 04/12/2022 10:28:11

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Alan Shepherd on 03/12/2022 22:32:20:

Thanks. I'm a little lost as i can't really see any obvious specification difference between the two. What spec sheets don't tell me is build quality and use ability, but while I can find plenty of feedback on the Sieg, the Amadeal lathe is more of an unknown.

I went through the same uncertainty and eventually decided dithering was a waste of time. I got on with it, and ordered one from Warco who have a reasonable reputation. Later I discovered Arc Euro have the best reputation, but complaints about Amadeal seem rare.

The lathes are all made to a similar design, varying on things like motor power, brushless vs brushed, and accessories. They can be made by anyone with a suitable factory, not all wonderful, so beware buying cheap from unknown sources. I suspect factory rejects and returns become internet 'bargains' too. The UK suppliers are more careful about their sources, and in the event a dud gets to a customer, they'll sort it out, maybe with a refund.

Not sure they're still doing it, but Axminster offered an extended warranty – at a price. Bottom line, there's hassle if the purchase goes wrong, but nowhere near as painful as discovering you have to pay to return a faulty machine to a fulfilment centre in Germany! Or the supplier has disappeared, or only communicates in Mandarin!

In terms of capability, the machines share much the same virtues and vices. They mostly spin too fast to thread under power, which is fixed by making a hand-crank. The gear change banjo is fiddly compared with bigger machines. They're a bit too big and clunky to be good at fine work like clock-making, and a bit too small for larger general purpose work. On the plus side, they're light enough for a fit man to move on his own, are delightfully quiet, and provide all the main lathe functions. I learned a lot from mine!

Dave

All mini-lathes have much the same limitations: I'd rather have one with a brushless motor