Search Results for 'arc euro'

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Arceurotrade (Dave sent the catalogue no 8), have some vices, that seem to fit even thier smallest mill. and look to me to be of a reasonable design, and price. Wish I could get stuff like that! Ian S C

[I.M. OUTAHEREParticipant @i-m-outahere]

I would seriously think about returning it to the supplier as it is obviously faulty from the factory .

It is not really worth trying to salvage as it is not designed for milling .

I hate when companies advertise drilling or milling as a use for cheap vices as it is misleading to the newcomer .

At a minimum the warco DH6 may get you by for light machining and at least the closing jaw has some lenght to it -also would make decent drill vice , the 5479 would be better although i have never liked swiveling vices – just one more thing that can move on its own accord when you least need it !

I use a vice similar to the 130-040-1100 or 1300-040-1200 stocked by ARC EUROTRADE (usual disclaimer ) but in 3 inch .

I can recommend the workshop practice series of books- particularily the ones written by Harold Hall if you are new to milling and wish to learn and once again usuall disclaimer applies .

You will see that for many operations you don't need a vice and a decent angle plate coupled with some toolmakers clamps and a few lengths of flat bar can get you into a whole lot of fun !

although if you have the table length a vice set up on one end permanently can be very convenient for many jobs

Usual disclaimer = i don't now and never have worked for or received any payments or gratuities from these suppliers or people- just a happy customer and believe that when you're onto a good thing share it !

Ian

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

I usually debur with the edge of a bit of HSS, or If I want agoo finish, a small file.

I thought I'd treat myself to a set of four proper deburrers (aluminium, brass/CI, steel, plastic). despite being small and incredibly cheap (4.10 for four with plastic handles from Arc Euro). The handles are abit naff, but actually have a clever twist lock and you can reoplace the inserts which are even cheaper.

What I hadn't appreciated is that each tool has a different geometry and swivels to cut at a suitable angle without digging in to the softer materials. In use, its a bit like peeling a potato. only you get a very neat, consistent very narrow bevel on the corner. You can also trim back any slight raised edge, as on where a bandsaw cut was made.

For such a simple item, i wish I had these years ago, they are also ideal for tidying up plastic kits, for example.

Neil

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

I totally sympathise with Arc Euro from the economic point of view particulary on the website downtime. They are not the only supplier that has dropped out from the show circuit over the years. However, would it not be a working idea to come as a demonstrator to showcase their CNC stuff. If they ran a preordered/prepaid pickup service along side this, the extra sales generated could go some way to offsetting the costs. Perhaps the shows organisers could give them a display rate instead of a trade stand rate. Any comments?

Martin

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

People are looking at this from the wrong point.

Engineers as we know them, and that's us collectively, are dinosaurs.

Lets look at this logically, the vast amount of manufacturing is done overseas and so manufacturing engineers are also overseas.

Where this country scores in in development and technological innovation and leaves the run of the mill manufacturing to countries that can better do this, usually a financial decision.

It's no accident that the vast majority of the Formulae 1 workshops and development are in this country, even the foreign based ones.

Take a look at Formula 1 in Schools

http://www.f1inschools.co.uk/

Whole new ball game and it's not just about designing, the whole school has to be involved from getting support and sponsorship thru accounts to building and competing.

The 'new' engineers are invisible to us, just like they treat us for what we are – dinosaurs.

Just like the Arc Euro thread on sales and shows, the world is moving on and won't wait.

[Raymond AndersonParticipant @raymondanderson34407]

Andrew, If it's any help, I have a Eurotherm 650 drive on my Warco GH750 lathe and it's been trouble free since new, about 12 years ago now [Eurotherm are now made by Parker SSD] My Chester LUX mill uses a WEG drive, again, trouble free . My other lathe a DSG uses a specially built drive so would be of no interest to you.

Regards,

Raymond.

[AndyfParticipant @andyf]

Excellent analysis, John.

And when all is said and done, Ketan is far better qualified than anyone else on this forum when it comes to making business decisions about Arc Euro Trade.

Andy

[Douglas JohnstonParticipant @douglasjohnston98463]

Living in Scotland the major exhibitions are too far to travel and I have to rely on the mail order companies for equipment. Over the years the standard of service from these companies has improved considerably. I can remember waiting weeks for orders to arrive in the past, whereas delivery now is often next working day.

Just a little plug for Arc Euro, I ordered some items yesterday from them and shortly after received an email telling me I will get them on Monday (next working day) and will be given a 1 hour delivery time slot on Monday morning. Thats what I call impressive service (free carriage as well having spent over £60). Well done, that's all I can say.

Doug

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Hi John,

Dont worry, I havn't confused you with Jon. I am totally aware of your missing parcel, because I personally monitor all the missing parcels. At present we are missing three parcels sent through Royal Mail ISF – one in France (yours), one in Spain and one in Portugal, and I am not very happy. If you want to read about it, it is covered in this forums, thread about Arc Euro Trades website update,

Thanks, Ketan.

Edited By Ketan Swali on 20/09/2012 17:12:34

[pcb1962Participant @pcb1962]

Posted by pcb1962 on 20/09/2012 10:20:37

Agreed, DPD are extremely reliable, in complete contrast to the pathetically inept HDNL / Yodel outfit.

Just realised it was Interlink Express that delivered my order from ArcEuro last week, not DPD. Good to see that they have copied DPD in giving 1 hour timed delivery slots

Edited By pcb1962 on 20/09/2012 10:46:49

[Anonymous]

Hi Phil,

Welcome to the forum. The clamps certainly look impressive. Does the air pressure hold the clamp on, ie, failsafe, no air pressure equals no clamp?

On another matter, is that one of the ArcEuroTrade high speed spindles in the pictures? If so, how are you getting on with it?

Regards,

Andrew

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Dont worry Peter, I didnt take it the wrong way. Also, thank you everyone for your kind comments.

We are always trying to make improvements to our website. There are still a few small issues, but it is mostly working fine now.

From later next week, we may be making a few logisitic changes, which may effect the amount of time a parcel is in transit – delay, for small value low weight orders sent by inland – Royal Mail, but we will still aim to dispatch within two days. The courier service will remain the same.

We are currently experiencing transit delays with Royal Mail International Signed For (RMISF) Airmail service to France, Spain and Portugal. Royal Mail in their wisdom have appointed GLS as their sub-contract service provider in Europe, and their service is a little hit and miss, which in turn is damaging our reputation.

We have a similar problem with RMISF to South Africa. For some reason, Royal Mail's x-ray team considers a stub milling arbor to be a product which is 'not permitted to fly'. It is not on any banned list for any country. After having paid £20.45 to send it out and have it back, we re-sent it in better packaging thinking that that might be the real problem. At present it is still sitting somewhere in the U.K.. It was sent out on the 15th of August. The tracking number (for U.K. tracking only) is RU071492793GB. Just google Royal Mail tracking. Enter this number in the tracking system and you will see that it is still in the U.K.!. We refunded the customer, having lost £40.90 in postage alone, by now. Try to recover this money from Royal Mail? You are having a laugh

BTW, be aware that if you ever loose a parcel through RM, you have to wait a minimum of four weeks after dispatch to allow them to deliver, before you can lodge a claim!. Also, don't waste your money on Recorded service – waste of money if your packet gets lost. Better to send it by Special Delivery – Registered post, regardless of what your

Ketan at ARC.

[Peter G. ShawParticipant @peterg-shaw75338]

Hi,

Just to remind you that steel replacement gears are available from Arc Euro Trade (usual disclaimer). Look under C3 lathe spares I think it is as the gears for this machine are identical. These gears also fit the Warco MiniMill and presumably the Amadeal equivalent.

Og course, there is still the noise factor, but if noise is not important, this may be a cheaper way to go. (I use ear protectors!)

Regards,

Peter G. Shaw.

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

(The title should read problem – not prole!  Sorry, can't edit that bit.)

A few months ago, I fitted a 3-axis DRO system to my mill. I obtained a "budget" system, complete with remote, mains-powered display from Arc Euro Trade. It fitted fine and worked faultlessly until I put the vice on the table and promptly wiped the mini usb connection off the X-axis scale. I removed the offending scale and re-fitted it the other way up – i.e. usb facing down. Gingerly, I plugged the slightly mangled plug back in. Miraculously, it still worked. Then, a couple of weeks ago, the batteries in all three failed within a short while. No problem, I thought, I'll just replace them. (I didn't know then, but do now, that the remote display will power the DROs without any batteries being required.)

If you're still with me, the problem I now face is that the Z-axis read-out (on the scale) has stopped displaying anything except the odd faint hieroglyph, although the remote read-out still registers correctly. I can live with that, but would appreciate it if anyone has any ideas on how I can restore the status quo.

Incidentally, I have a replacement X-axis scale on order, but it looks like it's got lost in the post, having been posted two weeks ago and got as far as Paris CDG airport!

Returning the non-functioning scale under guarantee is not an economic option, as the postage cost exceeds the cost of a new one!

Regards,

John

Edited By John Hinkley on 16/09/2012 20:52:07

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

The tool holder that I have has 8mm at one end and 10mm at the other, I think that you could carefully hacksaw a slot Will.

Re the Mill, odd one as the safety guard closed the light comes on and open it goes off ! I have emailed Arceurotrade and hopefully get an answer in the morning. There is definately something amiss with it.

The cylinder, why not drop the cylinder head a mm or so into the bore and have a seperate one for the valve ? No crossover then. I think 1.5mm would be OK for seperation.

I have really come to a dead stop with my workshop as to get the Mill in I had to shift stuff about and now I cant find stuff as its not where I left it. Also lost the ring spanner for the lathe tool post, its gone missing, Awol.

Clive

Edited By Clive Hartland on 09/09/2012 21:22:35

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Hi Keith,

Have a look here:

http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Protection-Grease-Adhesives/Rock-Oil-Lubricants

Ketan at ARC.

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

Hello Will,

basically making the steam valves does not need critical accuracy, drills make a hole and reamers clean up holes so you then make the spool to fit the hole. No big deal really as if you make a mistake just re-make another piece untii you get it how you want.

I would buy from Brutsch Reugger, they supply excellent quality tools and drills and cutters. Many things we dont get in the UK. I used to sit and study the catalogue for hours, a page at a time just to get to know what was available.

Just do it how you feel and thats it, by becoming very critical you take the fun out of it.

Today I took delivery of a Seig X3 from Arceurotrades special deal. Its uncrated and sat on the garage floor and I have to shift it to the end and lift it up onto the bench, all 170Kilos of it.

Extras came with it, including a large machine vice and three 'Tin' cutters and a set of collets and a clamping kit. Well worth the money I think. Cant wait to get it running as I have jobs lined up already.

Initially it looks good and I can see things I can improve later. I will fit a measuring system in time.

busy making a small pipe bender, having to adapt bits and change the design a bit. Its from an American source and the drwg. is a bit Naff !

Bees are working very hard now with this Indian Summer and as the Ivy has now flowered its their last chance to fill their combs for winter, and for me ! The Ivy is covered in insects of all types, bees, butterflies and hoverflies and of course wasps. There is a lot of Ivy about here where I live as the orchards are now derelict and Ivy takes over.

Clive

[Billy MillsParticipant @billymills]

Much safer and better to go diamond, no risk of flying stones and you can put a much better edge on HSS or cobalt or carbide than white or green ever will. But the use is limited, you take off small amounts to maintain ( or greatly improve) the edge so rests and jigs are very desirable. The diamond wheel lasts and lasts and lasts……

Diamond wheels are the same kind of price as stone age jobs but they do take a bit of getting used to, you carefully centre the ali wheel- no dressing to centre. Arc Euro have a good note on diamond wheels on their web site- well worth looking at.

I have a couple of Tormeks for sharpening HSS wood chisels works great, but remain quite shocked at the price of their drill sharpening device! I will stick to the Vertex T&C with diamond as that works on cobalt and carbide too.

Billy.

[Will RobertsonParticipant @willrobertson16447]

Hi Clive,

Thank you very much. I looked up those numbers and I think I can see why this tool would probably give a better finish. Looking at BRW's P&P costs I realised that the postage and packaging is fairly high compared to the cost of the tools so I might as well get everything I'll need for a while in one order…

… which brings me to the subject of my piston valves – I'd planned to drill successively larger holes using drills from CTC or Arc Eurotrade then finish with a machine reamer from CTC or Arc Eurotrade.

One person commented in John's forum on his piston valve (spool valve) engine "It is essential that the drill be sharpened correctly, i.e., it's cutting edges must be accurate… Do not think for one minute that a brand new drill will be accurate… They should be, of course, but I have yet to come across many that are… in most cases they would need some correction.".

This makes me a bit uncertain. Should I use new drills from Arc Eurotrade or CTC? Should I order some drills from BRW? Are new drills from BRW any more or less likely to be accurate than new drills from CTC or Arc Eurotrade?

I don't have a drill sharpening jig and my guess is that the manufacturers could sharpen the drills to a much better precision than I could achieve by eye.

For the machine reamer for those critical piston valves, is there any benefit to buying one from BRW or will the machine reamers from CTC or Arc Eurotrade be good enough for my needs?

Will

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[Swarf, Mostly!Participant @swarfmostly]

Posted by NJH on 26/08/2012 16:04:33:

No Andrew VALVES!!!

SNIP

AND

Norman

Edited By NJH on 26/08/2012 16:15:14

Hi there, Norman,

I used to travel by train from Walton-on-Thames to school in Woking. The Hackbridge & Hewittic Rectifier Company's factory was just down the road from Walton station and there were often mercury arc rectifiers like the one in your picture suspended on springs inside their open wooden shipping container sitting on a porter's trolley awaiting their train to wherever. When Sam, the porter, wasn't looking, we used to jiggle the trolley to get the rectifier bouncing on its springs and the pool of mercury swilling round the bottom of the bulb.

Later on, I worked at the EMI laboratories at Feltham; I worked in the analogue computer laboratory on what was at one time the largest analogue computer in Europe. A row of 19" racks loaded with operational amplifiers and time division multipliers, all thermionic technology. The three-phase feeder that came up through the floor next to the row of power supply units used to run warm to the touch. That computer was eventually given to Brunel University.

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

[I.M. OUTAHEREParticipant @i-m-outahere]

For centering in a lathe i would steer away from a digital unit as a needle is easier to see.

A plunger type will give you more travel and will allow you to set things true or offset in a four jaw chuck .

You will most likely find that for the price of a name brand you could but a plunger and lever type of a cheaper brand .

I have both of these and both chineese made and they work fine but do have a feel of the mechanism particularily on the plunger type( slowly push the plunger in ) as some are a bit rough or the needle will jump ( it should be silky smooth)

There are also different dial sizes from around 1 inch upwards and the biggest i have seem was around 5 inches but i would stick with a dial size around 2 inch unit for a plunger and 1.5 inch for the lever.

Having a look at the arc eurotrade catalogue(usual disclaimer applies) i see they sell dial gauge contact point set that makes a plunger type gauge more versatile and with the bent stem fitting you could use the gauge to indicate the inside of a hole – something a lever type gauge is made for .

As for resolution .001" or .02 mm is all you will ever need as with a little experience you will be able to read down to a couple of tenths anyhow .

IAN

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

Amazing how plunger vs. lever can be so polarising!

I can smugly announce that I have one of each, ancient German plunger one and an Arc Euro economy lever one.

I find I use the plunger one more often, as the lever one is very fiddly to set up, but sometimes it is the only one to use as it is more sensitive and can fit in tiny holes. I use the plunger one to tram my mill, with every satisfaction. Both work for setting work in the 4-jaw, although the plunger is easiest when trying to set up a chunky piece of work.

Neil.

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

Have any of the installers/users of the magnetic scales from M-DRO checked them for accuracy after installation ?

I finally managed to finish the installation of a 2 axis system (basic lathe console + 2 off 5 micron resolution magnetic read heads) onto a Swiss made tool presetter at work yesterday. The installation was required after the Trimos capacitive readouts died & the UK agent for the presetter quoted £2500 – £3000 (+Vat) for the original equipment units – the M-DRO setup came in at around £420 inc. Vat delivered IIRC.

Anyway, after getting it all installed, the first thing I noticed was that the diameter readout was not reading tool diameters correctly. The spindle has an accurately ground (127.00mm) outside diameter that is used to datum the X readout. When I put a tool in the spindle & checked various diameters, the readout did not show the correct dimensions – around 0.08 out on a 24mm nominal feature. Checking the vertical travel to Inspection grade slips showed a smaller error – around 0.015 at 200mm. The console has a length compensation feature – setting compensation values for both axes has got both reading correctly – though the compensation values differed widely (-600 on X, +75 on Z). As the magnetic strip was supplied as 1 piece & I cut it to suit both axes, I see 2 possibilities for the differences – the read heads require individual adjustments, or the magnetic characteristics of the slide affect the strip. As the X axis on the presetter is machined from stainless steel & the Z axis is an aluminium extrusion with inset stainless steel guides, I suspect the latter.

The magnetic systems do command a hefty premium, though – I went through the exercise of pricing a 3 axis system to suit my FB2 clone, with travels (from memory) of X 400, Y 150 & Z 400 :

Arc Eurotrade capacitive scales with 3 axis console £210

The Arc 3 axis display is much more basic than the Sino unit, but the system was included to show that a very basic 3 axis system can be installed relatively inexpensively. I discounted Arc's cheaper option of scales with remote readouts directly attached, as the accuracy quoted seems poor to me for machining metal & not directly comparable with the other systems below.

M-DRO 3 axis "economy" mill console with 3 x "Full size" scales £480

As above with 3 x "Slim" scales £545

As above with 3 x 5 micron magnetic heads, 1200mm of tape & 1500mm mounting spar £700

As above but with 1 micron magnetic heads instead of 5 micron £790

Prices "rounded up", including Vat, excluding delivery.

The price in the link from Bogstandard2 looks rather more attractive !

Regards,

Nigel B.