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  • #233570
    Nick_G
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      @nick_g

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      Jason suggested these tips to me recently for use on bronze.

      I had roughed out most of the flywheel but waited for these to do the final couple of cuts.

      They did the job in a most admirable way. smiley


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      So. ……….. What else are they good for. …….. Talk to me, tell me.? smiley
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      Nick
      #18053
      Nick_G
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        @nick_g
        #233571
        Anonymous

          It's difficult to tell but the video doesn't look like a CCGT insert, more like CCMT? I'd expect the insert to be highly polished and with a distinct rake angle for CCGT. May be it's just that the screen definition isn't adequate. I haven't tried CCGT on bronze, CCMT works fine for me. I use CCGT on aluminium alloys and plastics.

          Andrew

          #233572
          Nick_G
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            @nick_g
            Posted by Andrew Johnston on 06/04/2016 19:58:03:

            It's difficult to tell but the video doesn't look like a CCGT insert, more like CCMT?

            Andrew

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            Well it came out of that box that was sealed when I got it. question

            Nick

            #233574
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by Nick_G on 06/04/2016 19:45:00:

              So. ……….. What else are they good for. …….. Talk to me, tell me.? smiley

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              By the looks of that finish, Nick … you might try making a telescope mirror devil

              … You just need a clever device to generate the parabolic tool-path !

              MichaelG.

              #233579
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                As Andrew says they do look a bit dull rather than the usual bright finish and not as high a rake at the tip, if you know anyone whao can take a half decent photo maybe they could take a close up of one of the tips. Though I have not used Sandvik ones.

                I use them on brass, bronze and ali and sometimes on steel and stainless steel particularly long thin parts as the sharper edge does not push the work away from the tip

                #233583
                Nick_G
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                  @nick_g

                  Nick

                  #233589
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Definately don't look like the usual **GT tips, you also have a larger tip radius than I usually go for. Will take a pic of mine in the morning.

                    J

                    #233594
                    Anonymous

                      Here are examples of my inserts, CCMT on the left and CCGT on the right:

                      ccxt inserts.jpg

                      Both inserts are 09 size and 0.4mm nose radius. Manufacturer is Korloy. While details of the chip breaker will change, the basic form will remain the same across manufacturers. Two things to note for the insert on the right – it has a much sharper edge, and the rake angle is greater.

                      Andrew

                      #233595
                      Nick_G
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                        @nick_g

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                        I take your point Andrew.

                        Looks like an ebay vendor had me over.

                        Nick

                        #233596
                        steamdave
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                          @steamdave

                          But they still did the job OK. That's a positive (as well as the rake).

                          Dave
                          The Emerald Isle

                          #233599
                          opochka
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                            @opochka

                            You could look through the Sandvik catalogue to find the best tips for your material……..

                            http://www2.coromant.sandvik.com/coromant/pdf/Metalworking_Products_061/main_a_1.pdf

                            #233602
                            Emgee
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                              @emgee

                              Ground finish (GT) H13A is the recommended grade for non ferrous materials, especially aluminium, H10A is also a suitable substitute.

                              Emgee

                              #233612
                              Ed Duffner
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                                @edduffner79357
                                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 06/04/2016 20:10:14:

                                Posted by Nick_G on 06/04/2016 19:45:00:

                                So. ……….. What else are they good for. …….. Talk to me, tell me.? smiley

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                                By the looks of that finish, Nick … you might try making a telescope mirror devil

                                … You just need a clever device to generate the parabolic tool-path !

                                MichaelG.

                                My lathe can do that if I forget to lock the saddle when taking a facing cut.

                                Nick have you tried those tips on brass at all?

                                Ed.

                                Edited By Ed Duffner on 07/04/2016 05:23:00

                                #233619
                                Raymond Anderson
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                                  @raymondanderson34407

                                  Folks, All **GT inserts are not always polished as in Andrews pic, some are coated. I have some from Korloy and ARNO Werkzeuge that are coated [I will post a pic later when time permits ] Although whether coated or uncoated they all share the same high rake angle as shown in the right hand pic from Andrew. Nick_G ,yours certainly look to be CCMT. Because ** GT inserts are usually a bit more expensive than the standard **MT. the seller maybe tried [and maybe Succeeded ] in pulling a fast one. I dunno about that. Best to go through the Sandvik Coromant catalogue and find out. Although they look to be performing ok.

                                  #233622
                                  Raymond Anderson
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                                    @raymondanderson34407

                                    Just been looking through the Sandvik Coromant catalogue and Nicks inserts are indeed CCGT So the Ebay seller had described them correctly.

                                    #233623
                                    Nick_G
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                                      @nick_g
                                      Posted by Raymond Anderson on 07/04/2016 09:42:55:

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                                      Just been looking through the Sandvik Coromant catalogue and Nicks inserts are indeed CCGT So the Ebay seller had described them correctly.

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                                      Thanks for that info Raymond.

                                      The pack of 10 was sealed so someone would then have had to make a false label and reseal them. – Strange though that they differ so much from the normal ones.

                                      If I get chance later I will try them on some brass and aluminium and report back here.

                                      Cheers, Nick

                                      #233624
                                      Raymond Anderson
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                                        @raymondanderson34407

                                        I have the Hard copy here, [all me cats are hard copies, as I hate reading too long off a screen ] and they are on page 11 of the Small part machining section. Would think the download cat would be the same.

                                        Cheers.

                                        Edited By Raymond Anderson on 07/04/2016 09:59:22

                                        #233626
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133
                                          Posted by Raymond Anderson on 07/04/2016 09:58:50:

                                          Would think the download cat would be the same.

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                                          Would like to think that ^^^ but can't tell

                                          The PDF only covers the first few pages … then on p9

                                          If you want to view the next page please click HERE!

                                          … but [at least on my iPad] the word HERE! is not hyperlinked. crying 2

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                                          Edit: … so I went to this page, where they offer the catalogues 'online'

                                          Automatically detected the type of device, and redirected me to the AppStore

                                          Wonderful … except that the App is for iOS 7.1 and later [and I'm still on 5.1.1]

                                          Defeated by technolgy.  … YES there's a lot to be said for paper.

                                          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 07/04/2016 10:37:11

                                          #233628
                                          Raymond Anderson
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                                            @raymondanderson34407

                                            Hi Michael, Just tried the e catalogue, and it does indeed differ from the hard copy. The tips are under Coroturn107 on page A292/293 /145 of the general turning section. Not easy to navigate to. Another reason I prefer hard copies.

                                            #233632
                                            Anonymous
                                              Posted by Nick_G on 07/04/2016 09:48:56:

                                              If I get chance later I will try them on some brass and aluminium and report back here

                                              My expectation is that they will work fine on brass, but less so on aluminium, the two possible issues being BUE and chip breaking.

                                              Andrew

                                              #233633
                                              Raymond Anderson
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                                                @raymondanderson34407

                                                Hi Andrew, The CCGT inserts I prefer are the coated ones [ I will post a pic or 2 later on today ] some have a TiCN coating and the others are a combination of TiCN and TiAIN and I can report no problems with BUE on Aluminium . I have noticed it slightly on the un- coated types,but it hasn't [as of yet ] given me any problems. Although a lot would also depend on the type of Aluminium alloy. [amongst other things ]

                                                Cheers.

                                                #233634
                                                Emgee
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                                                  @emgee

                                                  As stated earlier H13A is the recommended grade for non ferrous materials, H10 has a finer grain structure and is also recommended for non ferrous and plastic materials,not all ground inserts have a polished surface, chip breaking will also be dependent on the grade of aluminium being cut, some are stringy whatever grade of insert or tip shape is used. Agree BUE can be a problem if no lubricant used.

                                                  Emgee

                                                  Edited By Emgee on 07/04/2016 11:28:28

                                                  #233641
                                                  Nick_G
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                                                    @nick_g
                                                    Posted by Andrew Johnston on 07/04/2016 10:32:20:

                                                    My expectation is that they will work fine on brass, but less so on aluminium, the two possible issues being BUE and chip breaking.

                                                    Andrew

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                                                    Here we go. I imagine you more knowing guy's will find the swarf shape tells the story.

                                                    Nick

                                                    #233642
                                                    JasonB
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                                                      @jasonb

                                                      Looks very similar swarf to what I get with similar shallow cuts in 6082.

                                                      The video actually shows the positive rake better than the photos as you can see that the corners of the tips rise up

                                                      The brighter tips that I use

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