What do you think of these lathes

[Antony PowellParticipant @antonypowell28169]

Chester Coventry gap bed or Colchester triumph 2000

looking for a replacement lathe what's the opinion of these two ?

TIA

Tony

[Antony PowellParticipant @antonypowell28169]

looking to buy

[Jonathan GarsideParticipant @jonathangarside40968]

Tony

Are you looking to buy new or secondhand.

If new the Colchester. If secondhand then surely it all depends on the condition and accessories

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Flog the jeep and buy a new Colchester, you won't regret it.

Last longer and people will respect you No one ever calls a Colchester a hedgehog

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

Colchester every time if you can find a good one, I spent many happy years using one where I worked although not employed as a turner mainly used after hours for my own jobs. There is a Taiwanese Colchester lookalike sold by a Northern company that claim to be from the same production line. £18,000 last time I looked, I think they traded as something like Barlow Handling but old age and memory may be at play.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Don't worry about it, but my Taiwanese lathe has the same bed(made in same Taiwanese foundry) as some Colchester lathes. If you can afford it, buy the Colchester.

Ian S C

[Antony PowellParticipant @antonypowell28169]

Just looking for opinions on different lathes

can't decide weather to buy a new Chinese (Axminster, Runmaster 330)

or to go for a good quality second hand unit

found this one on line , Opinins ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COLCHESTER-TRIUMPH-2000-15-x-30-GAP-BED-CENTRE-LATHE-Price-4950-plus-VAT/292098574160?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D43781%26meid%3D5a9b569ae16141ac8a8e5548cf3521b8%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D322502304944

Edited By Antony Powell on 06/05/2017 13:43:01

[Antony PowellParticipant @antonypowell28169]

whats an ainjest attachment ?

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

Colchester Triumph 2000 but you must find a good one. Great help to identify where its spent most of its life.

For many years new price and capabilities was attractive enough to sell into manual lathe production shops, training schools, tool rooms, experimental /prototype and maintenance shops. The production ones will be all used up as being well worth destroying for the value of what they made. Toolroom ones will have been worked well but looked after, maintenance shop ones will usually have considerably lower hours but may have been abused. Training school ones probably lowest hours but almost certainly had oopsies. Experimental / prototype shop cast off are the ones to go for, relatively low hours and looked after. Colchesters are not, in practice, economically re-buildable / re-furbishable and generally repairs will only be squeezing out a bit more life from a machine well past its prime. Although not exactly in "wonderful one horse shay, that ran for a hundred years and a day" territory once one important part is worn out most of the rest isn't far behind. Fixing serious neglect or abuse, intentional or accident, being a different matter of course.

You have to think like a businessman with machines of this ilk. Will it do the job? How much capability for how much money for how long? Hobby guy, get it cheap and fix it up as I go thinking, may work for your Myford, Boxford, Drummond, SounthBend and Super Adepts but you will be in a world of hurt and serious trouble with the domestic authorities if you try that with a Triumph 2000. Can do very well by carefully purchasing one with a known fault if the price is right but … you gotta be sure.

A good test for heavily used and / or unskilled finger-pokened machines is the run up time. Manual gives specifications for time to run up to speed with a chuck on. Any serious deviation means either worn or maladjusted clutch. Even if a lathe has clearly been well used a properly adjusted clutch suggests its been looked after. Adjustment isn't especially hard to do but has to be done by the book so if its wrong you have to wonder what else is lurking.

Check carefully if its obviously been used with coolant. Aprons do collect it and should be drained periodically when used wet. Quite possible to find one that has been run with an apron full of suds for years and still sort of working!

Clive.

[MuzzerParticipant @muzzer]

Ainjest – high speed threadcutting attachment. Very nice, very expensive. Andrew Johnston has on on his Harrison M300 (see latest edition of MEW). I think it basically has a trigger to disengage the half nuts quickly and consistently. They still make them for rich people.

Murray

Edited By Muzzer on 06/05/2017 13:58:03

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

Antony

Like the one you linked to. Looks smart, realistic price for a very good one from a known to be reliable supplier.

Compare to this one **LINK**. which would need a really serious crawl over to be sure it was up to the mark. Even then cosmetics would make me wonder. Somewhat overpriced methinks.

An Anijest unit is a quick threading device bypassing the manual half-nut letting you run at normal cutting speeds when screw cutting. Effective but expensive so machine has to do enough threading work to make it worthwhile. Odds are a lathe so fitted will have done a fair bit of work.

Clive.

PS Muzzer types faster.

Edited By Clive Foster on 06/05/2017 14:14:25

[Antony PowellParticipant @antonypowell28169]

Thanks for that , looking like with my limited knowledge I'll be best to stick to a new purchase machine….

tony

Edited By Antony Powell on 06/05/2017 14:19:44

[MalcBParticipant @malcb52554]

Tony, if you are looking at used Colchesters, then take a look at Nobilla Machine tools.

They always have a large selection and do lick of paint through to full refurbs. Look for machines with warranties and check whats also included in them.

West Point Machine Tools also normally carry one or two half decent machines.

Never be scared to haggle big and work down.

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

Tony

If you are able to spend around £4,000 to £7,000 on a machine from a reputable dealer limited knowledge is no handicap. Endless variations in that range over cosmetic condition, equipment with it, DRO or not etc, etc but you will be able to pick up a machine still tight and pleasant to use with more than enough accurate life left to suit the most industrious home workshop guy. Need to discuss your needs very carefully with the dealer and not get too ambitious in what you get for your money. Always better to pay a bit more for something nice than chance your arm on the scruffy but well equipped one in the corner with twenty years of oil encrustation, dark brown chucks and so on. Home and Workshop Machinery have a couple right now which are a pretty good illustration of about how far down in cosmetics and price its safe for someone in your position to go with DRO equipped machinery. Unless it's pretty modern a DRO isn't worth the mark up. Better things to do with the money when a satisfactory brand new system can be got for around £500.

When it comes to haggling probably better to negotiate on delivery or extra equipment rather than beat down the price. Big lump so best let the pros handle moving it and they can come expensive for a single move one off job. Best to get face-plate, steadies, 3 and 4 jaw chucks with the machine. And more QC tool post holders if there is only a basic set of 4 with the machine, * is minimum complement in my view. Skimp on the equipment list at purchase time and you could easily spend £1,000 to bring it up to the mark later.

Its the folk digging around the basement £2,000 or less machines who really need plenty of knowledge. £2,000 to maybe £4,500 is where the screaming deals and totally overpriced junk live. Almost invariably filthy and left exactly as it stopped at shift end 3 months or more back. No place for the inexperienced or unescorted.

Clive.

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