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  • #440113
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133

      With the festive season fast-approaching, I thought it time to revive an old Chestnut: Here is an example of modern work

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      Seems pretty unambiguous … but feel free to discuss.

      MichaelG.

      #35686
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133
        #440115
        Mike Poole
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          @mikepoole82104

          Theoretically incorrect but seems to work.

          Mike

          #440116
          DMB
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            @dmb

            Weird looking. Why the huge tubular spacers?

            #440118
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by DMB on 03/12/2019 23:11:31:

              Weird looking. Why the huge tubular spacers?

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              I think they are long nuts … suggesting, perhaps, that they are done-up very tight.

              MichaelG.

              #440119
              Henry Brown
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                @henrybrown95529

                I wonder if the longer hex parts are attached to the spreader plates, the hex is used to stop the spreaders turning as the nuts are tightened?

                #440121
                peak4
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                  @peak4

                  I wonder if they are counter-bored, but with a "Normal" or "Heavy Nut" thread length.
                  i.e. the studs have a parallel section sticking out beyond the fish-plates before the thread starts.

                  Hence the top one with the circular spacer, as the stud was even longer.

                  It might allow them to be torqued up correctly whilst ensuring the shear load is on the parallel section of the stud, rather than the reduced area of the root of the thread.

                  Bill

                  Edited By peak4 on 03/12/2019 23:57:52

                  #440122
                  Mark Rand
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                    @markrand96270

                    Seems perfectly correct to me. The lock nut is of a smaller thickness and on top of the main nut.

                    #440123
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133

                      I should mention that the green brackets support a substantial tubular ‘bull-bar’ to protect the concrete bridge from impacts by high vehicles.

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                      Credit Google Earth

                      MichaelG.

                      #440132
                      Speedy Builder5
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                        @speedybuilder5

                        I wonder how far the anchor bolts went into the bridge ? Did the top bolts hit an impenetrable object that required an extra spacer under the nut? Looks like a good installation to me. Enough to take the top off a double decker bus!

                        #440133
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          Top one being into concrete may have hit some rebar so did not get drilled so deep hence the packer., I would expect them to be resin anchors rather than sleeve or expanding type. The middle one is not placed that well being in or close to the junction between brick and concrete.

                          As to the nuts that's simple the guy could not be bothered to shorten the threads so just popped some jointing nuts on first as he knew a model engineer would soon be along and not be impressed if he had too many turns of thread showing above the top nutwink

                          #440134
                          Ian P
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                            @ianp

                            If the bridge in the Google Earth picture is the same one as the one in Michael photograph then the bracket looks to have been modified or altered at some stage.

                            In Michael's picture there are 6 fixings to the masonry but there appears to be 8 in the second image.

                            Just curious.

                            Ian P

                            #440135
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              Ian, I think you are seeing 6 fixings but the top ones into the concrete have a rectangular "washer" not square like the lower 4

                              #440136
                              Mick B1
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                                @mickb1

                                If it'd been me, I'd've found it hard to walk away leaving that bottom right square washer – if that's what it is – visibly on the skew.

                                blush

                                Edited By Mick B1 on 04/12/2019 07:40:33

                                #440137
                                John MC
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                                  @johnmc39344
                                  Posted by Mike Poole on 03/12/2019 23:05:53:

                                  Theoretically incorrect but seems to work.

                                  Mike

                                  Why?

                                  John

                                  #440138
                                  Brian H
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                                    @brianh50089

                                    I suspect that is because the thin nut should go on first.

                                    It looks as though the end of the thread has been hammered over to prevent removal.

                                    Brian

                                    Edited By Brian H on 04/12/2019 08:25:03

                                    #440139
                                    Hopper
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                                      @hopper

                                      OMG but the bridge men have put the thin locknuts on second, following the practice of engineers and fitters throughout the 19th and 20th centuries on applications such as big-end bolts on large marine diesels and before that steam engines, instead of adhering to the 21st Century ISO standard ( section 5 of ISO 898-2: 2012 Mechanical Properties of Fasteners made of Carbon Steel)  of putting the thin nut on first then the thick one. The science of which is outlined here **LINK**

                                      Science deniers, that's what them bridge men are. Next thing they'll be telling us climate change is a hoax to institute a one-world government. Somebody alert the authorities at once, before the bridge collapses and kills Santa Claus.

                                       

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                                      Edited By Hopper on 04/12/2019 08:28:10

                                      #440140
                                      derek hall 1
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                                        @derekhall1

                                        One of my main gripes is studs that have a foot long of thread poking out the nut.

                                        You see a lot of this in modern construction, an example of this is when stuck in traffic on a motorway with nothing to do and looking at the way the overhead gantries are secured to the concrete mounting blocks.

                                        I haven't got a photo, other drivers stuck in the traffic alongside me might wonder what the hell I am I taking a photo of !smiley

                                        Regards

                                        Derek

                                        #440142
                                        Martin King 2
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                                          @martinking2

                                          In the spirit of Xmas, are these technically known as walnuts?………..

                                          Getting my coat….. Martin

                                          #440150
                                          Martin Kyte
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                                            @martinkyte99762

                                            Are they not on the bridge wing, so they should be wingnuts?

                                            'nother Martin

                                            ;O)

                                            #440154
                                            ega
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                                              @ega

                                              Does anyone know the actual result of a tall and heavy vehicle hitting the bull bar at speed?

                                              #440156
                                              Hopper
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                                                @hopper
                                                Posted by ega on 04/12/2019 09:07:03:

                                                Does anyone know the actual result of a tall and heavy vehicle hitting the bull bar at speed?

                                                Given the bullbar is made of half-inch steel plate and upwards, and truck bodies are a thin aluminium skin over a flimsy aluminium framework, take a guess.

                                                #440157
                                                Brian H
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                                                  @brianh50089

                                                  Much as I hate to disagree with Hopper, I have a book entitled "Machine Construction & Drawing" with examination papers going back to 1888, 1889 & 1890 clearly showing the thin nut under the standard nut.

                                                  Brian

                                                  #440159
                                                  Hopper
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                                                    @hopper

                                                    The correct way to position lock nuts, according to MacGibbons Tech. Drawing for Marine Engineers published in the 1970s (in UK). And woe betide any candidate for his chief engineer's ticket who drew them in the reverse order. I know that forgetting to draw the split pin hole was grounds for a solid F. But nobody was ever known to draw the thick nut on top of the thin one. Unheard of at that time. This was an exam very strictly administered by the Department of Transport etc in the UK and former colonies for engineers responsible for the safety of ship worth millions and the lives of all aboard.

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                                                    Edited By Hopper on 04/12/2019 09:20:15

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                                                    Edited By Hopper on 04/12/2019 09:22:47

                                                    #440166
                                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                                      Posted by JasonB on 04/12/2019 07:38:58:

                                                      Ian, I think you are seeing 6 fixings but the top ones into the concrete have a rectangular "washer" not square like the lower 4

                                                      .

                                                      Exactly so yes

                                                      MichaelG.

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