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  • #313657
    Brian Abbott
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      @brianabbott67793

      Hello all.

      Can i ask what people do about insurance on their workshops ?

      This is something i have been thinking about trying to sort out but not sure where to start.

      Thanks in advance.

       

       

      Edited By Brian Abbott on 23/08/2017 21:32:32

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      Brian Abbott
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        @brianabbott67793
        #313658
        Nick Hulme
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          @nickhulme30114

          Ask NFU, they're able to cover a surprisingly wide range of stuff on domestic premises,

          – Nick

          #313662
          Samsaranda
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            @samsaranda

            Brian, a firm called Walker Midgely provide workshop insurance specifically for model engineers, you can select various options to build the schedule that fits your circumstances.

            Dave

            #313663
            Harry Wilkes
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              @harrywilkes58467

              I'm with Walker Midgley both for my steam engine and workshop/tools

              H

              #313672
              mechman48
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                @mechman48

                … Ask NFU, they're able to cover a surprisingly wide range of stuff on domestic premises, …

                ​Beg to differ, I asked them for quote for similar insurance, when they asked the question 'have you had a break in during the last 5 years' & on my response 'yes, 2013' garage break in' … they didn't want to know!

                George.

                #313673
                V8Eng
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                  @v8eng

                  It can be worth asking your existing home insurance company, our previous insurers were quite happy to do so and with only a small premium increase.

                  Be prepared for lots of questions about what you have / do in there, and they would not have covered any commercial use.

                  #313687
                  Tony Pratt 1
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                    @tonypratt1

                    I didn't have much joy with NFU but my broker set me up with AXA, I've had 3 break ins to my garage in 2 years all to get hold of my sons MX bike which we still have!

                    Last attempt the are***es drove a car through the garage door whilst we having a meal, stupid or what? Oh I forgot to mention my premium has actually gone down this year.

                    Tony

                    #313694
                    Sam Longley 1
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                      @samlongley1

                      I am with hiscox. Cover extended to include £10k for gear in garages. Policy includes all sorts of things such as the wife hitting someone with a golf ball or me hitting someone with a model plane. Bikes stollen when away from home etc etc.i live near water so that upsets some insurers. Value of contents & rebuild is unlimited

                      recommended by the RICS of which i am a member

                      Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 24/08/2017 08:25:27

                      #313789
                      Brian Abbott
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                        @brianabbott67793

                        Thanks all for the reply's

                        I will try speaking to the people who provide my home insurance first, just not looking forward to the idea of trying to explain to someone what the items are and their value..

                        How many people have made a list of what they have, and to what detail.

                        #313794
                        Anonymous

                          In my experience home insurance will only cover up to £2k in a garage. And they will have nothing to do with things they don't understand, ie, any kind of machine tool. If they can't tick a box on a screen they can't cope. I have a mate who swore blind that he was covered by the household insurance as organised by the wife; turns out he wasn't, didn't have any cover at all.

                          I use Walter Midgley; not cheap, but I've searched and there simply isn't anyone else who covers machine tools and model engineering items. I have the machine tools, work in progress and material in stock covered. Just adding up the price paid for the items, let alone replacement cost, came to a jaw dropping sum. I had to sit down and have a stiff drink.

                          Andrew

                          #313799
                          Robert Butler
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                            @robertbutler92161

                            The vast majority of home insurance is transacted on line these days (either via a Broker, comparison site or direct) and most are not advised sales which leaves the customer to make his own choices as to suitability. The main reason for this is to keep costs down but of course this also means there is no money spare to pay people who know what they are about.

                            Generally you may find the tools and machinery "contents" are not excluded BUT some policies restrict the amount of cover in detached outbuildings or garages and in deed in some cases attached garages. it may be possible to increase the limits and may require improved security. However garden buildings are notoriously difficult to secure adequately and thieves are generally every bit as good at their job as anyone else is at their chosen profession, they also benefit from not declaring their earnings.

                            Regrettably the traditional high street broker is a rare commodity these days as they have gradually been forced out of business, sold up or the proprietors retired, previously they would be able to solve this problem quite easily. If you can find one give them a ring, they may be willing to help but don't be surprised should they refuse as premiums and hence commission is inadequate to cover the cost of experienced staff spending an hour on the phone taking information and then obtaining quotations. The project (work in progress) may not be covered as increasingly insurers are excluding "powered models".

                            Care should be taken when arranging separate polices to cover workshop tools and machinery as there is a very real possibility cover exists for these items under an existing home insurance. In that case there is dual insurance which although not illegal involves both insurers contributing to the loss in relation to their respective sums insured or limits. The technical term for this is "Contribution""and this concept will be beyond most claims staff and "Adjusters" at this level and a frustrating experience in obtaining settlement is on the cards.

                            If you are lucky enough to arrange cover please bear in mind that cover is on a "New for Old" basis and the sums insured should be calculated accordingly.

                            #313820
                            Sam Longley 1
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                              Posted by Brian Abbott on 24/08/2017 20:27:59

                              How many people have made a list of what they have, and to what detail.

                               

                              My parents had a large house with lots of valuable items. They felt that if they had a burglary they would not remember exactly what they had at the time or prove they actually had it.

                              To solve this they hired a proffessional photographer for a day who photographed everything in the house.

                              I have not logged my own tools etc but i do , from time to time, take photos when i am tidying up & have a toolbox emptied out. I also have photos of my workshop ,lathe etc

                              Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 25/08/2017 07:05:26

                              #313831
                              mechman48
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                                @mechman48

                                I have a inventory made up which I update every 3 months, costed up at todays prices on a new for old basis, plus pictures of various items ( which needs updating ) so it is due this month. My present insurer has covered my contents policy to include att. garage but only up to a max of £5k, for a small additional premium. As Andrew has said, when it comes to totting up the replacement prices… wow it's staggering!.

                                ​George.

                                #313843
                                KWIL
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                                  @kwil

                                  I used to be with >Than (aka RSA) who would not cover me. Strange really when Walter Midgely are backed by RSA!

                                  So I went to Hiscox, house is whatever it takes to rebuild value and ALL contents are covered including all my expensive machinery.

                                  #313847
                                  Alfie Peacock
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                                    @alfiepeacock58331

                                    I phoned my insurance up to day and they said I am covered for all tooling and machines under contents, but must have a the workshop locked and secure when not in use. I had this conversation with a sales lady on the phone but will clarify this via a letter to the insurance company.

                                    #313855
                                    SillyOldDuffer
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                                      @sillyoldduffer

                                      Posted by Brian Abbott on 24/08/2017 20:27:59:

                                      How many people have made a list of what they have, and to what detail.

                                      A colleague had a 'small' fire in his living-room where most of the damage was caused by putting it out: high-pressure water everywhere. An expensive collection of books got trashed with some antiques, the whole lot ending up in a skip. When he claimed his insurer was unsympathetic about anything they considered 'unusual'. They were unwilling to pay for anything he could not prove he owned, or could not positively prove had been damaged as a result of the fire, and they challenged the purchase price of everything, especially if bought second-hand. Presumably this is because dishonest people beef up claims if they get the chance.

                                      After telling him he was basically stuffed, his solicitor advised that the best way to avoid an insurance dispute is to maintain a dossier containing photographs of the items in situ together with receipts and any other documentation. He also suggested the dossier should be kept with other important documents in a fire safe.

                                      Dave

                                      #313871
                                      Clive Foster
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                                        @clivefoster55965
                                        Posted by Robert Butler on 24/08/2017 21:58:38:

                                        If you are lucky enough to arrange cover please bear in mind that cover is on a "New for Old" basis and the sums insured should be calculated accordingly.

                                        Interesting.

                                        Given that most of us have at least some old, long out of production, but in good working order and valuable to us equipment how on earth can an insurer deal with claims on a new for old basis for such equipment. If my Bridgeport is irreparably damaged by fire or vandals I guess a decent quality clone would do as new for old. If my Elliot 10m shaper went probably something could be sourced form China or India. But what about my 1943 Pratt & Whitney model B and late 1980s (?) Smart & Brown 1024 lathes. The companies that made them are long gone and good luck with finding new manual toolroom lathes of equivalent quality to replace them with. Assuming any such are made now. Updated to todays money the new equivalent cost for the pair would buy at least a nice house depending on where you live. Can't see them paying that out! Last count of my shop contents value was well north of £25,000 at purchase price for used equipment and depreciated sell on E-Bay type value for used equipment. Frankly I got fed up and stopped counting!

                                        I have receipts for pretty much everything but no pictures. Currently I'm self insuring beyond a capped contents valuation and re-build costs of the workshop. But I'm lucky and can afford to do so.

                                        Double insurance isn't really an issue at this level. Specialist cover basically trumps add ons. If the workshop and contents value is clearly well outside the terms of included home insurance cover your home insurer won't want to be involved. No different to having basic bicycle cover on the home insurance but specialist cover for your super dooper extra special leisure one, even top end of off the rack at Halfords may be stretching it.

                                        Clive.

                                        #543502
                                        Steve Neighbour
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                                          @steveneighbour43428

                                          Just had a conversation with our usual House contents insurer, interestingly the 'agent' had no idea what a 'home workshop' was, or even seemed to care tbh !!

                                          My workshop is a standard 'domestic' garage, the contents are covered up to a max of £1k (subject to any excesses) which doesn't scratch the surface of the value of my machinery (Lathe, Mill, bench drill, band saw, compressor, and numerous tools and other equipment)

                                          I asked if this can be increased, they said "up to a max of £5k and at a premium increase of £40/month" disgust

                                          Just got a quote from Walker Midgley for £10k plus additional model cover, for £107/year which I thought was reasonable – just need to read the small print before I commit !!

                                          Any thoughts from the wiser members ?

                                          #543514
                                          steamdave
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                                            @steamdave

                                            Over in the Emerald Isle, I can't get extra insurance for my detached garage workshop. Neither an extension to the home insurance nor a separate insurance. Walter Midgley don't cover Ireland.

                                            Dave
                                            The Emerald Isle

                                            #543533
                                            KWIL
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                                              @kwil

                                              I moved to LV and they not only covered all my workshop tools/machinery etc but were very competitive.

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