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  • #306843
    sean logie
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      @seanlogie69385

      Any advice on the basic tooling for my horizontal mill,not sure the of the names of them to go looking . One of my first projects is making extra QC tool holders for the Fortis . Also whilst in here , I reckon the arbour for the centec2 should have a Keyes and it hasn’t, I can see a problem sourcing one of these .

      Sean

      Edited By sean logie on 12/07/2017 11:56:52

      #18581
      sean logie
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        @seanlogie69385
        #306857
        Mike E.
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          @mikee-85511

          A key, or a keyway in the arbour ?

          For a key, consider looking at lathe tool bits, and you can always grind one to suit. I've had good luck finding the right size to use on motor pulley shafts when nothing else was available.

          #306867
          Keith Long
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            @keithlong89920

            Sean – if you've got an arbor (or get one) that is missing it's key then no problem as key steel in both imperial and metric standard sizes is available readily from engineering suppliers in typically 12 inch (300 mm) lengths.

            #306879
            sean logie
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              @seanlogie69385

              I should have explained better . The arbour itself doesn’t have a keyway to put a key in .finding another arbour with a keyway will be a PITA !!!.

              Sean

              Edited By sean logie on 12/07/2017 15:48:21

              #306900
              Mike E.
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                @mikee-85511

                If the arbour you have fits your machine (?), then consider having a keyway milled in the shaft to match the keyway in the horizontal cutters designed to fit the diameter of your arbour. You may also need to have several spacers cut or broached with keyways.

                Edited By Mike E. on 12/07/2017 17:57:03

                #306902
                mark smith 20
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                  @marksmith20

                  Sean , sorry if this sounds a bit obvioussmiley but in your photo of the Centec it looks like all you can see is the keyed spacers and the cutter. The actual arbor is underneath the spacers thats in your photo. If im wrong then just ignore.

                  #306904
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    @sillyoldduffer

                    Sean,

                    In your photo I think the clamp like object in the side-facing t-slot may an adjustable stop. It prevents the table moving beyond a set limit, very useful for repetition work or accidentally overshooting when winding the table. You should be able to move the clamp into position by slackening the nut. I can't see the fixed point the stop operates against though; possibly it's been removed.

                    #306905
                    Roderick Jenkins
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                      @roderickjenkins93242

                      Sean,

                      Your Centec is a similar size to my Sharp and I assume it has a similar 1" diameter arbor. The Sharp arbor does not have a keyway (although the spacers do). Slippage does not seem to a problem on my machine, friction from the spacers and nut seems to be perfectly adequate to hold the cutters firmly on these relatively low powered machines. No problems with a 3" wide slabbing cutter on mine.

                      HTH,

                      Rod

                      #306914
                      sean logie
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                        @seanlogie69385

                        Interestin Rod .The arbour is 1″

                        Sean

                        #306916
                        sean logie
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                          @seanlogie69385

                          How good does this lead screw look

                          https://www.instagram.com/p/BWdXKejDj7a/

                          #306924
                          Manofkent
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                            @manofkent

                            Over the years I have owned and used 2 Centec 2B mills.

                            Neither arbor had a key, and it did not seem to be an issue in use.

                            I guess they were never made with a key.

                            John

                            #306926
                            Steve Pavey
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                              @stevepavey65865

                              My 2c horizontal arbor has a ¼" keyway. It is Int30, though whether that is a factor I don't know.

                              #306946
                              sean logie
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                                @seanlogie69385

                                Might be a future project making a new arbor of different length for the Centec .

                                Sean

                                Edited By sean logie on 13/07/2017 07:32:00

                                #306951
                                peak4
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                                  @peak4
                                  Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 12/07/2017 19:07:00:

                                  Sean,

                                  In your photo I think the clamp like object in the side-facing t-slot may an adjustable stop. It prevents the table moving beyond a set limit, very useful for repetition work or accidentally overshooting when winding the table. You should be able to move the clamp into position by slackening the nut. I can't see the fixed point the stop operates against though; possibly it's been removed.

                                  It is indeed an adjustable stop, or rather a pair of them. I your case they are to limit cross slide movement, by adjusting to hit the vertical peg in the centre above the cross slide screw.
                                  If you had power cross feed, one could be set to disengage it at a suitable point after the cut has finished.

                                  N.B. on my 2B, I've found that it disengages the half nut operating lever fine, but there's enough friction, when the half nut is engaged in the turning leadscrew, that it stays engaged and the table keeps moving.

                                  #307019
                                  sean logie
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                                    @seanlogie69385

                                    Table has adjustable locks and stops on XYZ . Well that’s the filler under coat sprayed on tonight 3 coats will sand down tomorrow night and give it one final coat .

                                    Sean

                                    Edited By sean logie on 13/07/2017 20:36:30

                                    Edited By sean logie on 13/07/2017 20:38:33

                                    #307035
                                    not done it yet
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                                      @notdoneityet

                                      Sean,

                                      I was going to reply much earlier on this thread, but things got in the way and parts became irrelevant.

                                       

                                      The 1" arbor that came with my machine has no keyway and I am not going to put one in that – or the 22mm arbor I made recently. Yours is only a one horse machine, if that. So I am in agreement with Rod. para  

                                       

                                      With cutters like slitting saws it can be better if the cutter can slip, should it jam, rather than the alternatives. Adding a full length keyway could cause the arbor to go out of true, so I would only consider a short keyway, if thought necessary. para  

                                       

                                      There is no real need for a shorter arbor, for a machine such as this, I would say. If you wanted to make something, you would perhaps be better making an alternative support bracket/bearing that could run on an inboard bearing? Or an arbor of different diameter? para  

                                       

                                      Making its own riser block to improve head space for a vertical head (when you find one) would be a useful addition.

                                       

                                      Get a slab cutter, wide enough for your QCTP holders and any others that would help with that project. para  Job lots of second hand cutters occasionally appear on epay, some of which might still be in fair condition and the right size for your arbor.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      Edited By not done it yet on 13/07/2017 23:28:47

                                      #307141
                                      sean logie
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                                        @seanlogie69385

                                        Been thinking about getting some mt2 collets for the Centec ,I believe they would take up less room than a collet holder or am I wrong in this .

                                        Sean

                                        #307198
                                        sean logie
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                                          @seanlogie69385

                                          Filler undercoat now aplied

                                          See album

                                          Sean

                                          #307217
                                          Gary Wooding
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                                            @garywooding25363

                                            If it's of any use to you, here is a drawing of the arbor of my Centec2B.

                                            centec2barbor.jpg

                                            #307219
                                            not done it yet
                                            Participant
                                              @notdoneityet

                                              I believe they would take up less room than a collet holder or am I wrong in this .

                                              You are right. Sure they do, but they have downsides, too.

                                              Only taking a specific size milling cutter shank is the obvious one (no different than Clarkson holders, mind).

                                              ER collets are far more universal (now) than either of the above, so making a riser block for your mill would likely be a better way to go. Then you will have more head space for your Clarkson cutter holder … and also o

                                              ffers more, with either ER or 2MT collets.

                                              #307230
                                              sean logie
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                                                @seanlogie69385

                                                A riser block would be no use to me because I don't have a vertical head ,even if I could find one I wouldn't be prepared to pay the ridiculous prices they make .

                                                #307235
                                                not done it yet
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                                                  @notdoneityet

                                                  You are going to need some long end mills if you want to use them in the horizontal 2MT taper? I can't see much advantage of using it as a vertical mill on its side. Undoubtedly there are some jobs, but few that would not be easier on a vertical miller.

                                                  There is only about 4" of cross travel available? You won't find many u-toob videos using a horizontal milling machine in this fashion.

                                                  If it were that good, they would not have bothered to supply the vertical head!

                                                  #307249
                                                  sean logie
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                                                    @seanlogie69385

                                                    I've yet to learn the Centec 2 ,from what I have researched to great length the horizontal mill is a very underestimated machine . I have a few ideas in the coals regarding a vertical head …. I wouldn't call it a bad machine ,anyways the main reason i bought the mill was to learn and not to be knocked for asking ,I really see that as counter productive everyone has to start somewhere,not everyone can afford and go out and buy the fancy milling machines .Some, myself included don't have deep pockets (I am a scot after all) I'm more than happy with the little Centec2 mill .

                                                    And eh not done yet ….I am here to learn !!!

                                                    Sean

                                                    #307251
                                                    JasonB
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                                                      @jasonb

                                                      Using the horizontal hole to drive endmills, flycutters and boring heads is going to be a hell of a lot easier than trying to do it using a vertical slide on the lathe so worth while using that method while you keep an eye out for a vertical head, It will make a very good littel horizontal borer.

                                                      Best thing to do is once your vice is painted up is mount it along the length of the table and see how close the edge of the jaws come to the spindle nose. This will give you an idea of how much room you have to play with, if it goes quite close to the nose then MT collets will be the shortest option, nexp up would be a couple of weldon shank holders with an ER25 or ER32 collet chuck needing about 2" space.

                                                      I really don't see why long endmills wouild be needed, infact as the table goes almost to the horz spindle noze you are more likely to find you need short series cutters rather than long ones as the dia goes up.

                                                       

                                                      J

                                                      Edited By JasonB on 15/07/2017 14:18:01

                                                      Edited By JasonB on 15/07/2017 14:21:34

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