R8 Drill Chuck + Screw?

R8 Drill Chuck + Screw?

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  • #18379
    Martin Kyte
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      #280532
      Martin Kyte
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        @martinkyte99762

        Hi Chaps

        I bought a drill chuck for the Myford Mill at the show last week (R8 arbour + Keyed Chuck) and the chuck is just a taper fit with no retaining screw. I'm thinking I need to fit one. Any thoughts/things to bear in mind.?

        regards Martin

        #280534
        clogs
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          @clogs

          Hi Martin.

          providing we're talking about the taper fitting for the chuck to the mandril, make sure the taper and the hole is perfectly clean (no oil) and dry……..put them together with push and twist…thats it job done….some say a light tap to get them to seat together !!!!!!!!!!

          clogs

          #280537
          Emgee
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            @emgee

            Plus 1 for Clogs post as it is a DRILL chuck.

            Emgee

            #280580
            Robbo
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              @robbo

              Plus 2 for Clogs, drill chucks don't have a drawbar. If you do give it "a light tap" to seat it (I always do) use a soft mallet and make sure the jaws are withdrawn into the body before you hit it.

              #280592
              Martin Kyte
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                @martinkyte99762

                Well I cannot say I'm overly convinced. I do get the point about self holding tapers and I'm sure it's going to be better once it's not slathered in oil like it is at the minute. What bothers me is the tap I give to the drawbar to remove the R8 taper and I cannot get images of the trotters and the chandelier out of my mind so i keep seeing the drill taper letting go instead of the R8. Silly I know because I agree with the theory and would not care on the lathe where the chuck is horizontal. Still I will clean it off and give it a go.

                regards Martin

                #280603
                HOWARDT
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                  @howardt

                  I have just swapped a B16 mount drill chuck over from a MT3 to an MT2, it has been on the MT3 for a year. The chuck was opened to its full extent so that I could put a rod up to the base of the B16 taper, gave a sharp tap and the taper released ( as expected). Then a quick wipe on the B16 with MT2, place it in the chuck, a quick tap on the bench with the MT2 small end, job done.

                  Always done it this way and never had anything come off. intact it is usually the other way round, trying to get the !!!! off.

                  #280604
                  old Al
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                    @oldal

                    Just remember its a DRILL chuck. Dont ever think you can take the lazy route and do a quicky milling job with the drill chuck holding a milling cutter

                    #280610
                    Robbo
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                      @robbo

                      Martin

                      It is a drilling chuck, the pressure on it is axial. The pressure on the drill pushes it into the taper.

                      #280613
                      Anonymous
                        Posted by old Al on 27/01/2017 15:43:55:

                        Just remember its a DRILL chuck. Dont ever think you can take the lazy route and do a quicky milling job with the drill chuck holding a milling cutter

                        Oooopsie! embarrassed

                        Andrew

                        #280624
                        Spurry
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                          @spurry
                          Posted by old Al on 27/01/2017 15:43:55:

                          Just remember its a DRILL chuck. Dont ever think you can take the lazy route and do a quicky milling job with the drill chuck holding a milling cutter

                          Does using a slot milling cutter count? I have to admit to using them for small counterbores, on occasions. Would agree that using the cutter's side faces is not to be recommended, with a drill chuck.

                          Pete

                          #280625
                          Tony Pratt 1
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                            Never ever had a properly fitted chuck come off its arbor. A light tap on the draw bar top will free a R8 taper.

                            Tony

                            #280626
                            Brian Oldford
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                              @brianoldford70365

                              According to Wobblypedia "

                              R8

                              collets with R8 taper

                              This taper was designed by Bridgeport Machines, Inc. for use in its milling machines. R8 tapers are not self-holding, so they require a drawbar extending up through the spindle to the top of the machine to prevent loosening when lateral forces are encountered. They are also keyed (see image) to prevent rotation. The drawbar thread is typically 716″–20 tpi (UNF). The angle of the cone is 16°51′ (16.85&deg with an OD of 1.25″ and a length of 1516″.[13] (source, Bridgeport Manufacturer) The resultant inner diameter is slightly over 3132″.

                              Tools with an R8 taper are inserted directly into the machine's spindle. R8 collets are typically used to hold tooling with round shanks, although any shape can be held if the collet has the correct corresponding shape cut in it. The collets have a precision bore with axial compression slots for holding cutting tools and are threaded for the drawbar. The R8 system is commonly used with collets ranging in size from 18″ to 34″ in diameter or tool holders with the same or slightly larger diameters. The collets or tool holders are placed directly into the spindle and the drawbar is tightened into the top of the collet or tool holder from above the spindle. Other tools such as drill chucks, fly cutters, indexable insert cutters, etc. may have an R-8 taper shank built into or added to the tool.

                              The R8 taper is commonly encountered on Bridgeport and similar turret mills from the USA, or on (very common) copies of these mills from elsewhere. The popularity is due in large part to the success of Bridgeport and other mills that were closely modeled after it and produced throughout much of the 20th century."

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