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    Michael Gilligan
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      This is worth a look, if you ever wondered about ‘the Brazil Nut effect‘ : **LINK**

      https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/04/cracking-the-case-new-study-sheds-more-light-on-the-brazil-nut-effect/

      MichaelG.

      #36367
      Michael Gilligan
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        #540642
        ega
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          @ega

          MichaelG:

          In my ignorance, I hadn't wondered; but I have added the phrase to my store of useful metaphors.

          #540654
          Speedy Builder5
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            @speedybuilder5

            Well, this is NEWS – stones always rise to the surface of my garden (not a Brazil nut in sight). It doesn't matter how many times I remove them, more appear each season. It could be my neighbour – but I doubt that.

            So next time I chat to some passing stranger, I can educate them and say that the stones follow the Brazil nut effect – that will impress them !!

            #540664
            David Noble
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              @davidnoble71990
              Posted by ega on 20/04/2021 10:08:41:

              MichaelG:

              In my ignorance, I hadn't wondered; but I have added the phrase to my store of useful metaphors.

              Nearly spilt my tea!

              David

              #540665
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                The bit that impressed me was:

                That's why the University of Manchester team turned to an advanced imaging technique, called time-lapse X-ray computer tomography, to follow the motion of all those jostling nuts as their container was repeatedly agitated.

                What a great project: Getting to play with the toys !

                MichaelG.

                #540816
                John Olsen
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                  @johnolsen79199

                  The stones in the garden might be due to frost heave, assuming that you are somewhere that gets reasonably hard frosts. I think the alternate freezing and thawing takes the place of shaking the can with the nuts in it. So still the same effect, just a different root cause. In some cold places the stones that come to the surface can form reasonably regular patterns like hexagons.

                  John

                  #540868
                  John Paton 1
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                    @johnpaton1

                    Hmmm – I suspect that lumps of lead of identical size and shape to Brazil nuts would not rise to ten surface so maybe the study is incomplete?

                    Other Brazil nut trivia is that they are quite highly radioactive – at least the shells are.

                    #540884
                    Frances IoM
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                      once you have extracted the edible kernel the crushed shells can be used in a tumble action polisher for brass etc

                      #540890
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt
                        Posted by John Paton 1 on 21/04/2021 12:52:24:

                        Hmmm – I suspect that lumps of lead of identical size and shape to Brazil nuts would not rise to ten surface so maybe the study is incomplete?

                        Other Brazil nut trivia is that they are quite highly radioactive – at least the shells are.

                        Don't they cover that:

                        " Scientists know that the size and shape of the nuts determines how much friction is produced, and their density also plays a role. "

                        #540912
                        Mick B1
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                          Posted by Frances IoM on 21/04/2021 14:20:23:
                          once you have extracted the edible kernel the crushed shells can be used in a tumble action polisher for brass etc

                          I thought crushed walnut shells were preferred, but perhaps they're cheaper and the effect is similar…

                          #540940
                          Mick B1
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                            It's logical enough when you think about it – a bunch of smaller rounded things that get under a larger rounded thing where they can't always escape sideways are more likely to reach a stable configuration than a bunch of smaller rounded things that get atop a larger rounded thing.

                            #540941
                            Steve Withnell
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                              The best example of this I saw was at an factory that made adhesive tapes (masking tape, insulation tape). They had a new 5,000 Gallon storage tank installed in the factory yard and then re-laid tarmac over the top to re-instate the yard.

                              The tank rose up like a whale having 'floated' in the sand ballast and burst through the tarmac like a surfacing whale. I wish I'd had a camera.

                              #540988
                              Russell Eberhardt
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                                @russelleberhardt48058

                                I've noticed the same effect with dried fruit mixture. The banana slices are always on top however many times you try to get the mixed.

                                I think Steve's 5000 gallon tank was more to do with buoyancy rather than vibration.

                                Russell

                                #541004
                                Lee Rogers
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                                  @leerogers95060

                                  It's at this point that I ponder why I've spent over 40 years working my nuts off.

                                  Why wasn't I sat down in a university in California musing over the finer poins of nut

                                  behaviour? Pop out the odd funding request , ponder the nuts a bit, all the while keeping

                                  an eye on the surf reports, dirty work but I'd be dilligent.

                                  #541062
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    Posted by Lee Rogers on 22/04/2021 10:37:12:

                                    It's at this point that I ponder why I've spent over 40 years working my nuts off.

                                    Why wasn't I sat down in a university in California …

                                    .

                                    dont know

                                    Oh heck … have they moved the University of Manchester over to California ?

                                    MichaelG.

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                                    Lee Rogers
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                                      @leerogers95060

                                      .

                                      dont know

                                      Oh heck … have they moved the University of Manchester over to California ?

                                      MichaelG.

                                      No but there are limits on where I'm prepared to do this ''work''

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