Woodworking Screw Box Tap

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19 January 2017 at 16:00 #278823
Martin King 2
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Hi All,

I have quite a few wooden screw boxes for threading male & female wooden items, most have the associated taps but ther are several that need taps and they are REALLY hard to find.

I thought that I would have a go at making a larger size 4tpi one as I have a proper one for a pattern.

My Super 7 has a gearbox but only goes to 8tpi.

Can anyone please advise how I might go about doing this? The tap has a slight taper and the die box is marked 1 (&quot. I presume that the material is turned, the thread cut and then the 4 grooves milled at 90 deg but keeping the thread on the taper is a mystery to me?

Cheers , Martin
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19 January 2017 at 16:00 #18370
Martin King 2
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How to make a large tap 4tpi ?
19 January 2017 at 16:01 #278824
Martin King 2
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Sorry about the smiley, typo!
19 January 2017 at 16:36 #278842
Brian Oldford
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I would suggest the use of a taper turning attachment or throwing over the tail-stock might be a first step. I suggest the problem of cutting a very coarse thread be solved by adopting the solution proposed many years ago for the column of the Dore-Westbury mill. Set your gear train and rig up a drive to the end of the lead-screw and drive the spindle through the change-wheels.
19 January 2017 at 16:47 #278849
Michael Gilligan
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The "interesting" feature is that the threads are full form all the way down the taper [the original appears to be cast] … 'though I doubt if this is useful.

MichaelG.
19 January 2017 at 17:07 #278858
Martin King 2
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Posted by Brian Oldford on 19/01/2017 16:36:45:

I would suggest the use of a taper turning attachment or throwing over the tail-stock might be a first step. I suggest the problem of cutting a very coarse thread be solved by adopting the solution proposed many years ago for the column of the Dore-Westbury mill. Set your gear train and rig up a drive to the end of the lead-screw and drive the spindle through the change-wheels.

Sounds a bit beyond me , what would the gear train be please?

M
19 January 2017 at 17:08 #278859
Martin King 2
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 19/01/2017 16:47:23:

The "interesting" feature is that the threads are full form all the way down the taper [the original appears to be cast] … 'though I doubt if this is useful.

MichaelG.

I agree, certainly cast. The thread points are very blunt and show no signs of honing at all.I almost always find them like this yet they cut nice threads in hardwood if used carefully. The othet (femal) parts always have a very sharp vee cutter.
19 January 2017 at 17:24 #278861
Neil Wyatt
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Posted by Martin King 2 on 19/01/2017 17:07:07:

Posted by Brian Oldford on 19/01/2017 16:36:45:

I would suggest the use of a taper turning attachment or throwing over the tail-stock might be a first step. I suggest the problem of cutting a very coarse thread be solved by adopting the solution proposed many years ago for the column of the Dore-Westbury mill. Set your gear train and rig up a drive to the end of the lead-screw and drive the spindle through the change-wheels.

Sounds a bit beyond me , what would the gear train be please?

M

Choose the 8tpi gear train, and if possible, double the size of one of the driven gears.

You may need to rig up a toolpost spindle for thread milling as I doubt change gears can transmit anywhere near enough torque to cut such a large thread, even with minute cuts.

Neil
19 January 2017 at 17:31 #278864
Martin King 2
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Neil, OK I get the idea of doubling to get 4tpi, would it be OK if taking very small cuts and using the front edge of the tool only (a la Tom's Techniques)?

Which one should I double?

I am getting the feeling that this may be beyond me…. More trouble than its worth possibly.

M
19 January 2017 at 17:49 #278872
Neil Wyatt
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Posted by Martin King 2 on 19/01/2017 17:31:28:

Neil, OK I get the idea of doubling to get 4tpi, would it be OK if taking very small cuts and using the front edge of the tool only (a la Tom's Techniques)?

Which one should I double?

I am getting the feeling that this may be beyond me…. More trouble than its worth possibly.

M

You might get lucky, a cut about 3/16" long is quite a large one to take geared up 2:1 even shaving a thou at a time (which will drive you quietly insane as that's about 180 passes…)

Any gear that would normally be the driven one of two meshing gears (when working normally i.e. driving the leadscrew)
19 January 2017 at 17:57 #278874
Jonathan Garside
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Surely there is an article on this very subject using a Myford lathe in the latest (No 250) issue of MEW

Jonathan
20 January 2017 at 05:35 #278969
John Reese
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Don't worry about making a tapered tap. Most modern taps for wood are not tapered. Some do have a tapered lead similat to a metal cutting tap. Google is your friend.
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