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[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

“bet they have two similar Products available, and you've ended up with parts from each.

Rotary Table from one, Plates from t'other. … neither is wrong, they're just not a set”

I suppose what Michael Gilligan posted could just be possible. If so it is very worrying because if the makers of a division plate & rotary table cannot accurately set out 3 equally disposed holes each and every time then what does it say for their production, quality control or integrity. The whole reason for a division plate/rotary table combination to exist at all is to give the ability to set angular positions accurately around a given point.

There seems to be an acceptance among a number of my fellow model engineers that certain UK importers/suppliers can provide inferior quality goods just because they are cheaper than products from quality suppliers. Every item sold by these suppliers should fulfil its intended function correctly even if the castings are a bit rough, the paint finish less than wonderful, the plating horrible etc. The latter defects can all be excused on a low cost basis but lack of correct function cannot.

Apart from Ketan Swali at Arc no one from any of the various UK suppliers has ever made any comment on this forum about their quality control policy concerning the customer at one end and their Far Eastern supplier at the other. I am sure they do read the forum! These suppliers have set out their stall to provide us with products that sell at prices well below those of UK or Western European manufactures. In doing so they have undercut manufacturers such as Myford and others to the point of extinction. Now we have to put up with indifferent quality items and are supposed to be grateful – and especially grateful when they exchange or refund us for a faulty product.

Don’t let them get away with it. Always send the item back with a clear written reason for complaint and ask what their QA policy is.

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

I went on Friday & was disappointed that ArcEuro & Chronos were not there as I was particularly looking to get some items from both traders that I had earmarked in my little notebook, always nice to 'see before you buy', did manage to get stuff from RDG (also earmarked) but still missed both of the above. Apart from Warco, Chester, & RDG (usual disclaimer) there were the usual gamut of smaller dealers for those wanting to 'browse through' stuff so there was enough to satisfy the most picky.

The finance director (SWMBO) accompanied me & again commented on the amount of backpacking,corderoy/jean, fleece garbed 'oldies' wandering around with glazed looks on their faces, myself included I might add, much akin to anoracked train spotters, commenting with 'ooohs & ahhhs' on this & that, albeit said with a grin on her face & then promptly hotfooted it back into Harrogate..for a little bit 'shopping' .

The exhibition on the whole was as expected, a lot of superb models, my favourites being the scale model 1923 Bentley front end.. along with the superb paddlewheel yacht 'Samantha' ..exceptional work guys! puts my meager attempts to shame, still have to make my '1st project' yet.

All in all a good day out & will be there next year.

Cheers

George

Edited By mechman48 on 12/05/2013 22:07:18

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

I went on Friday & was disappointed that ArcEuro & Chronos were not there as I was particularly looking to get some items from both traders that I had earmarked in my little notebook, always nice to 'see before you buy', did manage to get stuff from RDG (also earmarked) but still missed both of the above. Apart from Warco, Chester, & RDG (usual disclaimer) there were the usual gamut of smaller dealers for those wanting to 'browse through' stuff so there was enough to satisfy the most picky.

The finance director (SWMBO) accompanied me & again commented on the amount of backpacking,corderoy/jean, fleece garbed 'oldies' wandering around with glazed looks on their faces, myself included I might add, much akin to anoracked train spotters, commenting with 'ooohs & ahhhs' on this & that, albeit said with a grin on her face & then promptly hotfooted it back into Harrogate..for a little bit 'shopping' .

The exhibition on the whole was as expected, a lot of superb models, my favourites being the scale model 1923 Bentley front end.. along with the superb paddlewheel yacht 'Samantha' ..exceptional work guys! puts my meager attempts to shame, still have to make my '1st project' yet.

All in all a good day out.

Cheers

George

Edited By mechman48 on 12/05/2013 22:07:18

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

All tips have along designation number & letter sequence that defines all its characteristics. Try asking ArcEuro for this designation as Ketan is a very obliging person. Alternatively speak to Jenny Blackwell at J B Cutting Tools 01246 418110

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

All tips have along designation number & letter sequence that defines all its characteristics. Try asking ArcEuro for this designation as Ketan is a very obliging person. Alternatively speak to Jenny Blackwell at J B Cutting Tools 01246 418110

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

All tips have along designation number & letter sequence that defines all its characteristics. Try asking ArcEuro for this designation as Ketan is a very obliging person. Alternatively speak to Jenny Blackwell at J B Cutting Tools 01246 418110

[mark mcParticipant @markmc72333]

Hi all,Im on the search for the type of tip arcoeuro use for there face mills, its a triangle type with no hole and 20mm along each edge with 11 degrees of clearance. Can somebody tell me what these are type etc as there site just lists them as size 8. Here's a link to the cutter in question, its the mt3x2 inch one. thanks **LINK**

[mark mcParticipant @markmc72333]

Hi all,Im on the search for the type of tip arcoeuro use for there face mills, its a triangle type with no hole and 20mm along each edge with 11 degrees of clearance. Can somebody tell me what these are type etc as there site just lists them as size 8. Here's a link to the cutter in question, its the mt3x2 inch one. thanks **LINK**

[mark mcParticipant @markmc72333]

Hi all,Im on the search for the type of tip arcoeuro use for there face mills, its a triangle type with no hole and 20mm along each edge with 11 degrees of clearance. Can somebody tell me what these are type etc as there site just lists them as size 8. Here's a link to the cutter in question, its the mt3x2 inch one. thanks **LINK**

[OuBallieParticipant @ouballie]

Ta muchly for the responses.

Andy: I checked the sockets I have, but decided against using them for the reason you stated..

Did my first bit of serious lathe work yesterday, the last being in the mid '80s.

I prepared the round hole blanks, and had totally forgotten just how long it takes to do the most simple of turning, drilling then boring jobs.

Is it just me out of practice?

Started to use the Excel, and it's performing quite well.

A three square machine file I have has its shank similarly shaped, so how on earth is that supposed to be held in the filing machine's jaws?

My Arceurotrade fractional caliper's On/Off switch stopped working yesterday! Bought on 12th March last year and only started using it this week. Bummer or what?

"Out of warranty" response from the company, but was offered a reduced price for a replacement on sending useless one back to them for inspection.

The response surprised me somewhat from such a well respected company, and only a month out of warranty!

Geoff – Coffee then Excel time

[OuBallieParticipant @ouballie]

Ta muchly for the responses.

Andy: I checked the sockets I have, but decided against using them for the reason you stated..

Did my first bit of serious lathe work yesterday, the last being in the mid '80s.

I prepared the round hole blanks, and had totally forgotten just how long it takes to do the most simple of turning, drilling then boring jobs.

Is it just me out of practice?

Started to use the Excel, and it's performing quite well.

A three square machine file I have has its shank similarly shaped, so how on earth is that supposed to be held in the filing machine's jaws?

My Arceurotrade fractional caliper's On/Off switch stopped working yesterday! Bought on 12th March last year and only started using it this week. Bummer or what?

"Out of warranty" response from the company, but was offered a reduced price for a replacement on sending useless one back to them for inspection.

The response surprised me somewhat from such a well respected company, and only a month out of warranty!

Geoff – Coffee then Excel time

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Hi Colin,
None of the collets (ER25) I have bought from ArcEuro have such a large chamfer. I have a full metric set which I bought in July 2011 plus an 1/8" and a 1/4" which I bought last August. They have a very slight chamfer of probably less than 0.5 mm.

Les.

[colin hawesParticipant @colinhawes85982]

I recently bought a 1/8 inch ER20 collet from ArcEuro. I have bought many from there before and they have been very good but the 1/8 inch one has a 4mm dia.centre drilled entrance hole at the business end which means it cannot hold my very short job as it is not gripped adequately. Arc Euro offerred a refund but tell me that such a collet end is not a problem in their experience. The strange thing is , that after 50 years in the engineering industry, I have never come across a collet that does not have a nearly sharp edge there. Any thoughts? Is this unusual in your experience? Colin

[_Paul_Participant @_paul_]

Thanks John just ordered some from Arceurotrade.

Andy nice idea but I dont think that will fix these they really are quite bad.

Roy your right I will be sending them back first thing Tuesday after putting a flea in their ear.

Many Thanks gents

Paul

[jim’Participant @jim11037]

I'm thinking about getting one of these **LINK**

Has anyone used these? good or bad?

As i'll mainly want it for centre drill/drill/tap and some die holding jobs where accuracy is needed, i'm not sure how good they would repeat.

Thank you!

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Hi Rik

I have a Warco 250V-F on stands that I bought at the Harrogate exhib' last year & I bought the stand with it as part of a package deal, I'm sure these stands were made to suit the average height of the far eastern male(female ?) as I am a short a***se at 5' 7" & have found that I have a need to stoop to see what I am doing ,( unless it's my eyes that need to be sorted?) which tend to give me backache so if I were you I would set you height so that you can operate your saddle & X slide handwheels without having to stoop over. IIRC my saddle handwheel centre is approx' 895 mm from the floor & the X slide handwheel centre is approx' 990 mm..so I would suggest that you raise the machine by another 100 – 150 mm or possibly even 200mm to suit your height, as suggested if it's too high you can always make a duckboard. As it is the stand supplied is too low for the average 'European' height.

As for the 'lectrics' I can honestly say I have had no bother with them (touch wood!) mind you I have had no reason to run it at low speed, I generally run it at over 300rpm to suit MS & the type of tool I use( in the 400 t0 560 range) & more for brass & ally' ..ooops I've just remembered I did run it at approx' 150 – 210 rpm on some large CI casting & it handled it quite well. The only time I blew a fuse was when I first tried it out ..tried to be too greedy & stuck a hefty DOC on.. it didn't like it!..just treat it with consideration & it will do what you want it to….Hmmm where have I heard that before..ah yes! something to do with the female species..

cheers

George

Edited By mechman48 on 26/04/2013 01:32:22

Edited By mechman48 on 26/04/2013 01:50:30

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

Hi Brian,

With my new homemade collet chuck (with gloster ball-bearing nut) I got 0.0001" runout with an Arc Euro collet and 0.0002" with my 'home made' collet. That's estimating tenths on a DTI that is graduated in 0.0005" divisions.

I used a lot of care, turing the MT3 blank in place in the lathe including a little square at 8 degrees to set the topslide and using a power drill as an auto-feed for the topslide.

Neil

[David LittlewoodParticipant @davidlittlewood51847]

Andy,

I have used a set of ER25 collets from Emco for over 25 years with complete satisfaction. Also, a few extra sizes of ER25 from Arc Euro Trade and a full set of Vertex ER32 collets from Chronos have proved totally satisfactory. You need to take care over the chuck you use; the Emco one is spot on, but some of the far East import lathe chucks have slightly high runout. This can be corrected with care.

ER collets are good for holding milling cutters, provided you tighten them fully; if you don't there is a risk that the cutter may walk out of the chuck and spoil the work. I've only done this once in 25 years, a lesson you don't forget. The ball bearing closer from Gloster tooling are reputed to make this much more reliable, I bought one a few weeks ago but have not tested it yet.

The huge advantage of ER collets is their versatility. Each collet has a closing range of 1.0 mm (0.5 mm in the smallest couple of sizes) so is good for gripping material as well as cutters (BMS in particular is often a few thou undersize) and if you have a complete set you can hold anything in the size range.

David

 

Edited By David Littlewood on 21/04/2013 23:24:31

[MadMikeParticipant @madmike]

Andy, I have a Myford 254S layhe and a new Super X3 Sieg mill. The ER32 collets from Arc Euro are brilliant. I also have some MT collets but I always use the ER32 ones. Speak to Ketan at ArcEuro. Top guy and top products IMHO. Normal disclaimers apply. Just one happy customer.

[WannabewelderParticipant @wannabewelder]

Hi guys and thanks for the swift response.

Rufus, you say "there's every manner of size and description under the sun" and that's the problem. What's a good "middle of the road" versatile form to start with?

Thor, I've come across the Steve Bedair site myself, and a very good site it is too! In fact it's what got me thinking about trying indexable tooling.

Ian, your tool holders are very similar to Steve Bedair's – his use a holed insert and, from memory, are a bit smaller but are very similar.

I've got a broken half shaft from the Land-Rover, so that's the holder material taken care of. It's just down to what's a good general purpose insert to start with.

Maybe I'll just go with what's in the Arc Eurotrade catalogue.

Regards

Wannabe

[michael mParticipant @michaelm]

I was most interested to read the comments about the Rishton milling machine as some years ago I made the mistake of buying one. (new) Believing at the time that British must be best and perhaps slightly beguiled by the fact that it was made by a company described as precision engineers I spent rather a lot of money to be very dissappointed. The spindle was out of truth to the table. I'd bought it from a reputable dealer who came and had a look, agreed it was rather poor and offered to either refund my money or get me a replacement. As, of course, British engineering was absolutely the very best in the world I assumed mine was maybe a Friday afternoon job and opted for a replacement. This came and though an improvement was still not right. I complained again and again the dealer called, agreed with me and said he'd discuss it with the MD of the manufacturers. He subsequently reported back to me the MD's response. "What's he expect, a Bridgeport." A further replacement wasn't on the cards so rather than a refund I decided to make the best of it. There wasn't a lot about at the time in the way of small milling machines, I do recall the Emco FB and some clones of same. I was however never able to get the head to move correctly up and down the column, which was a necessary requirement given the lack of fine feed on the quill. I still remember with some anguish my desperation in trying to bore a cylinder on the machine. Although it wasn't purchased from Myfords (Beeston) I did subsequently have the oportunity to discuss it with a Myfords fitter who'd had experience of them and he'd also found appropriate head adjustment barely possible. The head was either loose or stuck. I wouldn't fault the base and table but as for the head and column…………..well. With increasing fustration it had to go and I eventually got a Myford (Beeston) VMB. I've found this a super machine and I wouldn't part with it. I've never understood why there didn't appear to have been a greater take up of them by people such as myself without space for a large machine. I'm convinced a milling machine really needs a dovetailed column rather than a round one. I've also got a small X1 machine which came from Arc-Euro and that has also afforded me every satisfaction. Athough it's tiny I'd never swap it for a Rishton.

Well many stories have a moral and this is no exception. History shows us that mankind has a tendency to look back to some golden age and British Engineering was one of them. Yes, a lot of it was golden and still is but there's always been the mediocre and poorly designed and still is. The philosophy often seemed to be "barely good enough will do". I remember reading on an earlier posting some criticism of Raglan Milling machines by someone who'd been involved in their manufacture. So in essence one should be wary of deriding all Chinese and Indian products. There's good and bad, just as there were and are in those of British manufacture. In conclusion do a bit of googling re Moore& Wright combination squares. I was surprised.

Michael

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Posted by chris stephens on 10/04/2013 00:54:11:

I'm sure they would fine for those who don't use their lathes or know what a really good finish looks like. Individual tools are ground from stock pieces of HSS, any engineering tool shop will sell you what is needed, but if possible steer clear of any marked "ch1na", the ones I have seen with those markings have shown themselves to be less than, ahem, ideal. It is not xenophobic to say buy British or from our cross pond cousins or for that matter our Euro cousins. There are some people on You tube, like "Mr. Pete222" or "Halligan142" who try to explain how to grind tools, there is also a Russian tutor but he does not yet have any subtitles which spoils things a little but worth watching all the same. Another alternative, if you can get to the SMEE HQ in south London, is to attend one of their grinding courses for a bit of personal tuition in a small group environment.

If you try at home and get confused by all the different grind angles given in the books, forget them and pick an average value for rake, clearance and relief etc. All that is needed for you to start turning is a sharp edge, precise angles are far less important, no matter what material you are turning.

chriStephens

I am not sure where the Warco ones are from however I live in newcastle upon tyne so a bit of a hike

I agree that I need to get to grips with sharpening but I want to get started now so therefore want ready made tools. A a leter date I can then buy some blank tool steel and have a go myselt, that way should I flounder I still have some tool that will work

[Sub MandrelParticipant @submandrel]

Hi Ed,

My advice would be to look at either angular contact bearings or taper roller bearings.

Taper rollers are not the cheapest option, but it would not be unusual only to use one at the front of the headstock witha smaller angualr contact bearing at the back.

Neil

[StovepipeParticipant @stovepipe]

Arceurotrade also sell Sumitomo replaceable tips. Accessible from this forum.

Dennis

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Thanks

looking this thought, http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Workholding/Clamping-Sets, the m10 looks like it would be a better fit, confused