Flexispeed Tailstock Alignment – Realistic Expectations

Flexispeed Tailstock Alignment – Realistic Expectations

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    James A
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      @jamesalford67616

      Having realised that my Flexispeed tailstock was misaligned by a country mile, I have tried to realign it. I used a commercial test bar set between centres. I ran a finger indicator along the top surface and along the side to check alignment in both directions. I took several passes to try to average out measurements.

      The parallel section of the test bar, placed at the headstock end, was 90mm long. The maximum deviation along the top surface was between 0.02 and, occasionaly, 0.03mm. The maximum deviation along the side face was 0.02mm. Presumably due to wear in the lathe bed, the cross slide and possible dirt, these figures varied with each pass, but were still fairly consistent.

      Would I be unrealistic to expect anything better than this with a machine of this age and general quality? I do not mind trying to improve on these results, but not if I am chasing rainbow ends.

      James.

      #830500
      Bazyle
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        @bazyle

        That’s a thou in real money – better than 90% of lathes out there I bet.

        #830503
        bernard towers
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          @bernardtowers37738

          Not sure you are looking at this realistically considering the age etc. And have you really looked at homuch flex a 1mm drill has?

          #830507
          James A
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            @jamesalford67616
            #830508
            James A
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              @jamesalford67616
              #830528
              cedric 1
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                @cedric

                <p style=”text-align: left;”>Yes within a thou is actually quite good, considering the machine and age.  Carry on.</p>
                Beware of those test bars. Some are notoriously poorly made and will give you false readings. You can do a basic test by placing it between centres and rotate it by hand. Check with a dial indicator that it’s running true at several points on both straight and tapered sections.

                #830530
                Bazyle
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                  @bazyle

                  Have a think about when you might need actual accuracy here. Not for drilling as an accurate hole would be finished by boring. Not for boring a cylinder as it is the bed ‘levelling’ that is important. It only matters if turning up a mandrel between centres which you do every day, er month, er year, er ?

                  #830555
                  bernard towers
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                    @bernardtowers37738

                    You are after all looking at a machine that is possibly over 75 years old and was not a world beater then, perhaps if you are looking to use small machines you might be better looking at Shereline/ Taig or one of the asian offerings. then you can use quick change tooling and an array of accessories not to mention a good range of spindle speeds.

                    #830585
                    James A
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                      @jamesalford67616

                      Cedric.

                      Thank you for the advice. I was not aware of that and shall do as you suggest to check that the test bar is not misleading me.

                      Bazle.

                      True. I do not turn between centres much at all, but it was doing so, followed by drilling a starting hole for boring that highlighted how far out the alignment was in the first place. I shall probably not turn between centres again for a long time.

                      Bernard.

                      The appeal of a new Sherline or similar is undeniable, but buying a new machine is not really an option. I need, really, to make the most of what I have.

                       

                      James.

                       

                      #830736
                      James A
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                        @jamesalford67616
                        #830739
                        Dave S
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                          @daves59043

                          You could chuck an indicator in the headstock and sweep the tailstock bore or a dead centre.

                          That’ll remove most of the not important variables – your comparing the axis of rotation of the headstock to the taper of the tailstock without a possibly dubious interposer

                          Dave

                           

                          #830828
                          not done it yet
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                            @notdoneityet

                            Presumably the original alignment was out by the proverbial country mile in the horizontal plane?

                            The usual practical check, for alignment, is by turning a bar, at each end, and comparing the finished diameters.  An unacceptable result would indicate in which direction the tailstock needs to be adjusted.

                            #830842
                            James A
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                              @jamesalford67616
                              #830874
                              not done it yet
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                                @notdoneityet
                                #830878
                                cedric 1
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                                  @cedric

                                  Some better quality lathes are made with the tailstock several thou high, so that as it wears, it comes down into perfect alignment.

                                  So you can see that vertical misalignment of a few thou does not significantly affect the turning of parallel cylinders for general work.

                                  #830890
                                  James A
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                                    @jamesalford67616

                                    Thank you for the replies.

                                    Not Done It Yet: I used a dead centre in the headstock taper and another in the tailstock.

                                    Cedric: That is reassuring to hear. Thank you.

                                     

                                    James.

                                    #830891
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb
                                      #830895
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        Also conside that if the error of 1thou is at the tailstock end when the barrel is retracted ( and locked?) and just a short dead ctr sticking out then it could be a lot more by the time you add the length of a drill chuck and drill bit which could magnify the error 10 fold..

                                        Doubt you will get much better than you have though.

                                        #830897
                                        James A
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                                          @jamesalford67616
                                          #830926
                                          Bazyle
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                                            @bazyle
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                                            James A
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                                              @jamesalford67616
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