Reversing Motor

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Hi All,

My first post here but I have been looking through the forums for a long time and I know there is a lot of knowledgeable people here.

I have been searing the net for a few hours per night trying to find information on an AER single phase 750w 1425rpm motor, cap start cap run on my lathe and want to fit a forward reverse switch, the switch didn't come with great instructions and I can not find any info about the AER motor, so I wondered if someone here had any knowledge of motor reversing and switches.

Under the motor cover the wires are K, AZ, A, Z, S. The cover says to swop Yellow and Blue to reverse the motor but that just pops the trip.

Any help would be much appreciated. I can post more details, what ever is required.

Many thanks

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

[OldironParticipant @oldiron]

Hi Keith welcome to the forum. A picture speaks a 1000 words. A picture of the connections in the box would maybe help to get a good answer. Post pics to forum

regards

Edited By Oldiron on 04/02/2021 17:04:43

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Do you have a multimeter to work out the truth table for the switch and to identify the main an auxiliary windings on the motor ? Post as much information as you have on the switch and motor and pictures of the connection box on the motor and the switch showing any number / letter marking on the switch. Is the switch a two position or three position switch ?

Les.

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Have you tried :-

power down

flip reversing switch

power up?

Some changeover switches do not have a dead spot so you get a momentary full short under power and anyway switching under load fries the contacts after a year or so.

Edited By Dave Halford on 04/02/2021 17:12:46

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

This is my reversing switch set up. When you change over the contact is released and you should only put the power back on when motor gas stopped or contacts burn out and motor may not stop.

David

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Keith

The yellow and blue wires referred to are the start winding ends coming from inside the motor, not the blue neutral from the power supply.

Emgee

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Thanks for the reply regarding pictures but I don't have anywhere to upload them to, is there anywhere that's free?

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Hi Emgee, it was the blue and yellow wires on the board under the motor cover that I swapped not the mains supply

Edited By Keith Jenkins 1 on 04/02/2021 18:04:07

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

The first reply to your post has a link to the instructions to post pictures on the forum,
Just click on the bold text to take you to the information.

Les.

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

I did read about images but can't seem to create an album, I'll have another look

Thanks for all your quick responses

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Keith

Did the motor run OK before you changed the blue and yellow cables around ?

If it did run OK then look for some broken/damaged insulation on both blue and yellow wires, if the conductor is exposed it could be shorting to earth (motor case) or the neutral conductor if that is also damaged.
Either of the above would rupture the fuse or disconnect an mcb by overload, or trip the RCCB if you have 1 fitted.

Emgee

[Peter Jones 20Participant @peterjones20]

I had the same problem with lathe motor.

The original motor had two capacitors, both 'starting caps' one for forward one for reverse.

The motor I replaced it with only has single cap so needs a different reversing switch with an extra set of contacts.

You have to reverse the field windings to get motor to start in the opposite direction

At present, I haven't changed switch so only have forward rotation as it isn't possible to bridge various contacts in multi switch to obtain reverse

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Peter

You only need to add a suitably rated DPDT switch connected into the start winding circuit to provide forward and reverse direction of the motor.

Emgee

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Thanks for the replys, I am just struggling with uploading pictures

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Seems you have all uploaded pictures, any advice please

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

When I started I just clicked on “albums” in the black bar at the top of the page and followed the fairly clear route. There is a faqs posting somewhere on how to do it. Searching for that may direct you to it.

Edited By not done it yet on 04/02/2021 22:19:29

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Keith, make sure you are only uploading JPEG photos into your album and many of the special characters in the names won't work.

Regards Nick.

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

I click on albums but it says no albums found?

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Keith, you have to create an album first. Click on albums in the green bar at the top and then click on create a photo album.

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 04/02/2021 22:59:21

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Got there in the end…

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

The 2 you can not see are Z(top left) S is to the right of Z

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Z S

K AZ A

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi Keith, assuming that A, B, and C on your forward/reverse switch are the common connections, I believe the schematic below should work, but you will need to disconnect both the yellow and blue wires from the posts and bring connections A, Z, yellow and blue out to your forward/reverse switch, you may need to swop yellow and blue to suite the switch.

Regards Nick.

[Keith Jenkins 1Participant @keithjenkins1]

Thank you Nick I will try that, but I had swapped blue and yellow in the motor and popped the trip. I will let you know how it goes

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