Not a “modeller”!

[maurice bennieParticipant @mauricebennie99556]

Hi ."Modellers" .Have you seen the Gerald A .Wingrove books 1&2 on car modelling? . Something that I have been trying to do for years ,and as yet nowhere like. Many times have thought of chopping wood as a pastime. But struggle on .

P.S called "THE COMPLETE CAR MODELLER" books 1&2

Back to the workshop to get out of the rain .Best wises all, Maurice.

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by Michael Poole on 24/08/2014 22:09:49:

I think Chartered Engineer is the title that should have the respect of most people in engineering. The ones I have dealt with have all been worthy of the title.

Mike

Chartered Engineer, or C.Eng goes after the name rather than replacing Mr. so it is an award or qualification rather than a title.

In many other European countries Engineer ( or ingénieur) is a title replacing Mr. UK Chartered Engineers can apply for the title of European Engineer (Eur Ing) but very few bother unless working in mainland Europe.

Eur Ing Russell Eberhardt C. Eng.

Edited By Russell Eberhardt on 25/08/2014 11:38:15

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

The Engineering Council seem to think Chartered Engineer is a title.

Mike

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Yes, the Engineering Council refer to it as a title but the usual definition is; "a word that is used before someone's name, stating their social rank, qualifications, position in an organization, sex, etc.:". It doesn't replace Mr. as does Doctor or Professor. I think that the European model does confer a bit more status.

Russell.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

It would be nice if a Chartered Engineer were given the same recognition as the Clergy,Medicine,Academia and the nobility, but despite British engineers creating the industrial revolution for the world few could name the men responsible. I would like to see an engineering hall of fame with the fathers of the industrial revolution and the long line of great engineers right up to the present day represented. When I was at school the teachers threat to people who didn't work was that they would finish up in the local car factory (probably meaning on the line). If they understood how much engineering went into the design and manufacture of a car they should have been saying if you work hard you could be an engineer at the car factory. Oh well we will have plenty of media studies, tourism, and psychology graduates to keep the country going.

Mike

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Engineering is a very wide term, it fact it was once best described to me that Civil Engineers build targets, mechanical engineers build weapons

 

People are an even wider diverse subject and there is no way you will get them ever to match up and it would be a poor day if it even happened.

 

What is needed is for the Luddite approach to a subject to be dropped and even if the person is not interested then acceptance needs to be shown instead of blocking this branch out.

 

One never knows what the future holds and where you may or are forced to go.

 

However I do find it ironic that the most posted to subjects on this board are never about models, engineering etc but whinge complains by those that show the least work or capabilities.

 

John S who is now going into the workshop on a bank holiday to repair the dogs collar with a 1" Whitworth bolt

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If I ever became editor of MEW or ME ad that would never happen as no way in hell would I even apply, BUT the first thing I would do is shut this forum down to stop all the whinging.

 

Ask yourself this? Why doesn't other similar mags have a forum ?

Answer is they don't have wide shoulder to take all the back biting , whiging and crap fit for purpose posts we get on here so give a thought to Neil and Diane for the job they do which according you you lot they don't deserve.

 

And that was Stevensons Rocket.

Edited By John Stevenson on 25/08/2014 17:24:15

[NJHParticipant @njh]

John

I think you had better go and have a sandwich and a lie down. From the look of your post it appears you are running out of energy !

I will agree with you though that there is an amazing amount of energy being expended here on something which has little relevance to Model Engineering as represented by the mags.

I would hazard a guess that of the many posters to this forum only a minority are professional engineers . The hobby is surely mostly about MAKING ( or fixing) "stuff" in our workshops. We don't need any professional qualifications to do that and, if we choose to exhibit our efforts to others, we should be judged by our work and not by our qualifications. ( If not we only need to please ourselves)

OK I AM an engineer – but not a mechanical engineer. I am, in fact, a retired engineer . That has no relevance to my hobby other than a certain outlook on life, some transferable knowledge, and not as much spare time as I thought there would be!

Model Engineer and Model Engineers Workshop are well known publications, everyone knows what they are and buys them – either regularly or as the content appeals them. I'm happy to be called a Model Engineer, a model maker, a handyman, a retired old git or anything else – none of it diminishes me. The only thing I'm NOT prepared to be called though is late for my supper! ( Something taught me by my late Father – in – Law!)

Norman

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Ha John

Your posting has cunningly changed and got bigger – it seems that you are feeling better!

N

Edited By NJH on 25/08/2014 18:33:28

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Although I am building a 1" Minnie my trade is Maintenance Electrician and my job is Control Engineer. Although my job title is Control Engineer it is a trouble shooting role and yet another abuse of the term engineer as I see it. Awarding ourselves grand titles seems to be a British pastime, technician is another term often abused and where did all the clerks go? They all seem to be office managers now. I tell people my hobby is Model Engineering but does that make me a model engineer? Many of the finest practitioners of model engineering have no formal training or qualifications in engineering yet their work can eclipse that of practicing engineers.

Mike – A sparky with a passion for practical machining and fitting.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Norman,

Because I added my edit after the original edited by etc notice it adopted the small font, I have since been back and changed it but it in no way changes the way I feel about the whingers and whiners as opposed to the show and tell or more importantly the just get on with it brigade.

PS the dog didn't appreciate the 1" whit bolt, had to swap it to 24mm.

Dammit, it's an Old English Sheepdog, not an Old Metric Sheepdog

[alan frostParticipant @alanfrost17805]

As usual JS hits the nail on the head.

Can I add my ha'pennorth to this thread

1) As a chartered injuneer (Thick Sandwich course, Electronic), but not a very good one I don't give a b—-r what they call me but would observe that the confusion over what an injuneer is has probably helped make British fully qualified professional engineers among the worst paid in the world. Not a bone of contention to me personally as I spotted that technical sales guys were well paid , had an expense a/c , and a very nice free company vehicle every year and in my day that meant free,even down to the petrol for foreign holidays. Even so its a handicap to the country.

2) I do slightly mind being called a modeller . While i like and admire the type of models built by MEW readers I don't entirely like the mindset that goes with many of the builders. I build and restore tools and prefer engineering that makes stuff for the real world especially if it saves me a bob or two (things like heat pumps, wind turbines, cheap trailers (free materials for the transport of etc etc) so I prefer the term Home Workshop but again I don't really give a b—-r about it.

I also like the other sort of models, but at 71 can't get my hands on many these days. 'Course if injurers were paid proper I'd have saved a million or two to use as bait.

[alan frostParticipant @alanfrost17805]

Got an idea. If someone could write an article for MEW on making model axes then someone else could write a little article on grinding them.

Just read the earlier posts on this thread which confirms my suspicions about mind sets. For what its worth I think Neil Wyatt looks like possibly becoming the best editor we have had for a while. Imo he is gradually getting rid of the padded articles on "Oiling My Myford" etc and so far seems to be keeping clear of "testing" proprietary equipment "for the magazine " , an affliction of recent years. He also seems a reasonably nice and helpful fellow, judging by his posts and now we have him ,and the under appreciated Diane, plus JS as a moderator maybe the whinging little axe grinders will feel less welcome on this forum.

I live in hope as the forum does contain a wealth and broad spectrum of engineering knowledge.

[Oompa LumpaParticipant @oompalumpa34302]

Posted by alan frost on 25/08/2014 21:38:54:

Got an idea. If someone could write an article for MEW on making model axes then someone else could write a little article on grinding them.

LMAO!
The best comment in the thread in my opinion.

graham.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Damn,

I thought he was serious, I'd already written half of it but was struggling as the splell checker is having a day off.

Are there three g's in angle grinder ?

[magpieParticipant @magpie]

Got to get some bugger to write about making em first John. Before you can write about bodge grinding em.

Cheers Dek.

[alan frostParticipant @alanfrost17805]

Got me there Js. I kno there is two in horse if that helps.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Nearly on topic but there is a B&Q in Hudersfield

[alan frostParticipant @alanfrost17805]

Maybe the clue is in the thread title "not a modeller" i.e a Baldric definition of Home Workshopper as in "Cat"– "NOT a dog".

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by alan frost on 25/08/2014 21:38:54:

maybe the whinging little axe grinders will feel less welcome on this forum.

 

You mean the people who have different opinions to you and feel as entitled as you to express those opinions? Why do you (and others) find it necessary to continually denigrate and belittle them? Why should you want to make them feel less welcome (as if this is your personal playground). To leave behind a mutual admiration society to perpetually agree with one another?

Forum bullying is legion on the internet. Couldn't it be nipped in the bud here?

Edited By Bandersnatch on 26/08/2014 00:56:27

[Raymond Sanderson 2Participant @raymondsanderson2]

I often wonder how sponsors start to feel about such topics being they sell to all walks of life.

I have seen the same treatment in stores by staff and management even online if the buyer is known.

I have seen some treat hobbiests as they are low life scum mainly because they are limited funds buyers, while others treat them with King like status because the work they do is heart felt. This can be in the same store. And visa versa.

I am always thankful to those who willingly pass on their knowledge to such as myself I will never be a Cert Engineer to old now days unless I become a Modeller of steam and have to become certified to use and operate it.

Model making isn't why i joined or took out a 3 yr subscription to MEW I will be making tooling and other things mainly, however all the models I see about and on various sites inspire me enough to have bought books on how to. maybe one day when I finish making a Rose Engine.

Ray

[JESParticipant @jes]

It seems to me that an awful lot of growing up and swarf making needs to be done

JES

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Considering how we spend our time mostly, we fall into the category of machinist/fitters. Just occasionally I may design something which would raise the activity to the level of 'engineering'. Mostly I manufacture enjoyment.

Martin

PS I will duck now.

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

Relax guys, we're just a bunch of old gits putting the world to rights over a metaphorical pint .

The joy of a forum like this is to be able to discuss a range of topics (some of them even relevant ) with like minded individuals. We may not always agree, but always enjoy the discussion.

Cheers, another pint? Don't mind if I do.

Rod

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

G'day.

When I first joined the Australian Army, after a full-on year of intensive technical training (including basic fitting/turning) I was upgraded to the honourable rank of 'Craftsman'….the lowest of the low in RAEME (Royal Australian Electrical & Mechanical Engineers) (U.K. equivalent REME). My trade was actually as a boffin (electronics).

After many years of on-the-job experience (repairing stuff in the field) I actually got pretty good at fixing the geeky toys (with many months spent learning about new developments).

One day I passed a technical/promotion course which gave me a new label 'Artificer'.

Wow! Did that make me an engineer? Probably not……………only officers were allowed to be called 'Engineers' (Technically they had the bit of paper).

The wise ones (officers) let us get on with the job. One 'engineer' (1st Lt) wasted a day of our time by asking to see if every resistor/transistor/diode on a circuit board was 'up-to-specs'. We told him that it was too hard for us lowly craftsmen, but as he was the expert we gave him the oscilloscope and meter, went to morning tea and told him to us a 'Cooee" when he found the fault.

Luckily our boss was a wise engineer.

Never saw that 1st Lt again

(for those who remember the 77 set, it was the usual A-19 Squelch Module).

So nowadays I make stuff on my lathe and mill. Some relates to models, I am only an Artificer.

* Danny M *

[VersabossParticipant @versaboss]

Posted by alan frost on 25/08/2014 21:38:54:

Got an idea. If someone could write an article for MEW on making model axes then someone else could write a little article on grinding them.

Too late, Alan. Has been done more than once, really… An example here:

Axe from hammer

Regards, HansR.

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