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  • #844206
    jacobsmess
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      @jacobsmess

      My grandfather gave me his old lathe today. Ive been trying to find some information on it on line but haven’t found anything. I suspect its an old training lathe, its quite basic but my grandfather says hes used it for both wood and metal and made various bits without trouble.

      There’s no ID plate or branding apart from that for the motor and control plate.

       

      any ideas on what the make/model might be?

       

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      #844209
      Dave Halford
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        @davehalford22513

        Raglan Loughborough

        #844212
        jacobsmess
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          @jacobsmess

          Brilliant thanks Dave

          #844213
          Hollowpoint
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            @hollowpoint

            My first lathe was a Loughborough, it’s a simple thing, but built like a brick sh*t house. Decent size spindle bore as well. It was a good lathe.

            #844216
            David Senior
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              @davidsenior29320

              It may be worth your while visiting the Raglan forum  https://raglanmachinetools.freeforums.net/

              Whilst there isn’t much specifically about the Loughborough there is some commonality with the other Raglan lathes.

              We do keep a register of serial numbers and I have only recently discovered where it is on the Loughborough – stamped onto the front face of the main bedway at the tailstock end, so if you could read yours I would be happy to know what it is.

              Dave

              #844231
              jacobsmess
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                @jacobsmess

                Great, i have seen it stamped but not made a note of it. When I get chance tomorrow I’ll look it up and let you know. Thanks again. My grandfather also thinks he’s got some documentation for it somewhere and will dig it out for me at some point.

                #844234
                David Senior
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                  @davidsenior29320

                  Any history, especially dates would be most interesting. Did he have it from new, or did it come out of a school or college?

                  Dave

                  #844237
                  jacobsmess
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                    @jacobsmess

                    It was from a college in Cambridge I believe. I’ll see if he knows any more about it.

                    #844289
                    Old School
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                      @oldschool

                      The school had four of those in the metal workshop, you started on those and finished on a Colchester Student.

                      i had one as my first lathe at home did a lot of good work on it moved up to a Raglan 5” lathe the chucks where interchangeable.

                      #844323
                      Howard Lewis
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                        @howardlewis46836

                        The Loughborough was a simple training lathe; no power feeds, or screwcutting facility.

                        No problem, once the skill to rotate the handwheels slowly and steadily is acquired.

                        For many threads, Taps and Dies will suffice.

                        Quite a capable little machine. Only limitation is the very small of range of speeds available; but not a job stopper.

                        On my very infrequent visits to The WaterWorks Museum in Hereford, I enjoy the opportunity to use the one there.

                        Well worth the time spent cleaning up, and setting up.

                        Enjoy!

                        Howard

                        #844379
                        jacobsmess
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                          @jacobsmess

                          So I got the machine setup in my workshop today. It works but I have to manually start the motor by hand to get it spinning, I assume this is an issue with the motor bushes possibly?

                          As I’m completely new to lathes I’m not sure i have everything in order to use it. It seems the mounted tool holder is for taper turning only (as it says so on it) but I cant see how to mount a cutter to it. Also, I have a tool post but cannot see how this mounts also. Am I missing some essential bits? I’ve attached some photos of what I have but a reference to a part would be helpful in sourcing anything thats missing.20260413_18282620260413_18292920260413_18281720260413_182745

                          #844382
                          Hollowpoint
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                            @hollowpoint

                            Having to help the motor along by hand to start it usually means a bad capacitor or sometimes the bearings. Changing the brushes wouldn’t harm.

                            #844386
                            jacobsmess
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                              @jacobsmess

                              Sounds reasonable although I didnt notice a capacitor at all. Either way thats a problem for another day.

                              #844390
                              David Senior
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                                @davidsenior29320

                                It’s the top slide that has the note on about taper turning. You can ignore that note. I guess the dymo tape is left over from the school use where presumably they didn’t want anyone to use the top slide travel unless turning a taper, when the top slide would be rotated to give the correct angle.

                                You have a 4-way toolpost (sat on top of the headstock in your photos). See if you have the necessary bits to fit that in place of the flat plate with a spring underneath and a lever with red knob on top. Your turning tools would clamp into one of the slots in the toolpost, and would possibly require shims underneath to get the tool tip at centre height.

                                Dave

                                #844393
                                jacobsmess
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                                  @jacobsmess

                                  Thanks Dave, yes I thought that might be the case with the taper note. Unfortunately, if I remove the top plate from it, I’m left with a stud that has a diameter too large to fit the tool post mounting hole. I’ll probably have to see if my grandfather can dig around in his workshop and find any bits I missed. But unfortunately I am 4.5hrs away and his health isn’t great so its may be easier to set up an alternative.

                                  #844396
                                  David Senior
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                                    @davidsenior29320

                                    Have a look at the lathes.co.uk website (see Dave Halford’s link above). You’ll get a better idea of what the normal tool post looks like on there. I guess yours must be an early one because there is no tee-slot on the top slide. Did you ever find the serial number?

                                    If you want one of the tool posts that appear to have been standard, and only hold 1 tool, let me know as I have some spare that I don’t use.

                                    Dave

                                    #844399
                                    Dave Halford
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                                      @davehalford22513

                                      One of these might do

                                      #844404
                                      David Senior
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                                        @davidsenior29320

                                        This is what I believe to be the standard tool post (here fitted to a Raglan 5″ in a rather tatty state!)

                                         

                                        Toolpost

                                        It has a 10mm hole through it – presumably the standard stud is 3/8″. If your stud is bigger this could be drilled out to suit. The height is about 60mm so your stud needs to be that plus enough extra for the nut.

                                        Dave

                                        #844407
                                        jacobsmess
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                                          @jacobsmess

                                          Ok, seems the easiest option is to stick the tool post in the four jaw check and it out to take clamp setup i have.. or is there a reason not to do this?

                                          #844410
                                          Bazyle
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                                            @bazyle

                                            If no capacitor the motor has a starter winding that tells it which way to rotate then a centrifugal switch disconnects it once spinning. This switch can be dirty, burned contacts, out of adjustment due to wear, or worst case the winding is burned out.

                                            The 4way toolpost may have been a random purchase or thrown into the deal with other bits and never actually fitted.

                                            Next time you see your grandpa set your phone to record and ask him about all he did with the lathe. Then ask him to recount his life history, and then whatever he knows about your family history and where they lived and what they did. One day it will be too late and you will regret lost opportunities.

                                            #844414
                                            jacobsmess
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                                              @jacobsmess

                                              All good advice Bazyle, thanks. On closer inspection the 4way toolpost is  probably best left unmachined as its got a small circular mounting turret underneath that puts the tool centre too high i think. I’ll have to take a closer look at the whole setup later on when I have some daylight in the workshop.

                                              #844459
                                              Dave Halford
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                                                @davehalford22513

                                                The proper tool post is sometimes call a Gibraltar tool post

                                                #844464
                                                David Senior
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                                                  @davidsenior29320

                                                  It would be interesting to know what a Gibraltar tool post actually is – I thought it was one that replaced the top slide. I’ve never seen one of those as an original fitment to a Raglan.

                                                  I have a solid block to replace the top slide on my Raglan, but it still takes a quick change tool post on top, rather than directly clamping a tool.

                                                  Dave

                                                  #844474
                                                  Howard Lewis
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                                                    @howardlewis46836

                                                    Thr Gibraltar toolpost was a massive toolpost invented by G H Thomas for use on his Myfoird 7. It was big and so rigid and held just one tool.

                                                    To turn short tapers (Such as when trimming up a centre ) the Topslide is offset. For most rurning /facing work it is set parallel to the axis .  But Taper centres for the tailstock are usually hard, whilst those for use in the Headstock are soft, and need a trim up, occasionally.)

                                                    The tool needs to be set with the cutting edge on the centreline of the lathe.  If it is not, it will not cut propoerly; if at all.

                                                    It seems a feature of Raglan lathes for the 4 way toolpost not be moiunted on the Top Slide, which can be a bit of a PITA.

                                                    (I made a rather skinny 4 way toolpost to fit on the Top Slide, for a friend who had a 5″ Raglan.)

                                                    Your lathe needs a realy good clean after being used for wood turning. Then reassemble it and carefully align it. The time spent eliminating twist from the bed and setting the tailstock in line with the headstock will be well spent. (A twisted bed will not produce parallem work.

                                                    Buy a cipy of L H Sparey “The Amateur’s Lathe” or Ian Bradley’s “Myford Series 7 Mnual”. These will tell how to check and adjust to remove twist from the bed. They will tell where to put shims to correct any twist. It is usually worth making adjust ments at the tailstock end. But on the Raglan, there is only one fixing unsr the tailstock., so that should make life easier.

                                                    Once the bed is free from twist, then you cam start work aligning Tailstock and Headstock  centres (Trim up the Headstock centre, first. Making sure that both the internal and external tapers are undamaged, and clean)

                                                    Ideally for this you coiuld do with a 4 jaw independent chuck, a DTI and a magnetic base, to make an alignment bar for this job.

                                                    Once the lathe is set up, then you can start to become familiar with it, just cutting bits of metal to gain experience.

                                                    Remember that if you put on a 0.010″ cut, the diameter will decrease by 0.020″(You will take off metal when the far side comes around to the cutting tool.)

                                                    How do you set the tool at centre height?

                                                    Initially by ” suck it and see” facing cuts. If the tool is off centre, it will l;eave a “pop”  on the end of the bar. Keep adjusting the tool height (Make sure that the tool is sharp!) until you cannot feel any pip. The tool is then on centre height.

                                                    This might then be the time to gain experience and confodence, by making your forst tool; a Centre Height gauge.

                                                    Having set that to the tool in the toolpost, it can then be used to set any other tool that you put into the toolpost, or the 4 way. You will also have gained a bit of experience in turning and facing, and possibly drilling and tapping.

                                                    When drilling, start with a centre drill -DON’T force it. It is nigh on impossible to renove the broken stub pf a centre drill from a workpoece.

                                                    If you want advice, and pictures, of Centre Height Gauges, P M me, preferably with an E mail address, so that i can send you picturea

                                                    Howard

                                                     

                                                    #844480
                                                    Roderick Jenkins
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                                                      @roderickjenkins93242
                                                      On Howard Lewis Said:

                                                      Thr Gibraltar toolpost was a massive toolpost invented by G H Thomas for use on his Myfoird 7. It was big and so rigid and held just one tool.

                                                      Howard,

                                                      I’m afraid you’ve confused 2 of the ME greats.  Actually it was Tubal Cain (Tom Walshaw).  Anthologised in his  “Simple Workshop Devices”.  I have made the Hemingway version in cast iron.  Very good for holding large boring bars.

                                                      Rod

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