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  • #834145
    Peter Simpson 3
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      @petersimpson3

      Hi all, Looking to upgrade my power hacksaw for a decent band saw, mostly used to cut mild steel bar stock. Any suggestion ?

      #834151
      Hollowpoint
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        @hollowpoint

        I bought a 5″ warco bench mounted one about 18 months ago. So far I have been very happy with it. To be honest I don’t know how I managed without for so long!

        #834174
        john fletcher 1
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          @johnfletcher1

          My 30 odd year old band saw ( made in Taiwan I think) is the most used thing in my workshop. On arrival I soon altered the switching arrangement, using a DOL starter and substantial micro switch. It came with a small table for vertical cutting, I made a larger one. Also, I fitted two wheels at the motor end so that I can move the machine about easily. I have a wood cutting blade and following an article in early MEW made a blade repair kit. There must be millions around the world and as the writer above says, I don’t know how I managed with out one for so long.  John

          #834175
          Diogenes
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            @diogenes

            Completely happy with my generic 4×6 horizontal.. ..a bit of care and attention in initial setting-up resulted in surprisingly good ‘squareness’, mine is still on the (perfectly acceptable ?4 year-old) blade that Warco supplied it with.

            It cuts more steel and iron than n/ferrous.

            A lot of saw for the money – haven’t felt the need to replace it, or carry out extensive modifications.

            #834201
            not done it yet
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              @notdoneityet

              Are you looking for a floor mounted machine or a bench machine?  Even a hand-held?  What is your current saw that is in need of upgrading?  New or second hand?  Maximum size of cut required?

              All useful information, before you get a load of unnecessary/unwanted advice.

              #834216
              Peter Simpson 3
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                @petersimpson3

                My Current powered Hack saw is a Meddings HS4 as can be seen on the bay for sale, would like a bench mounted saw to free up some floor space.

                #834222
                JA
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                  @ja

                  My old band saw was a flimsy, badly designed, Warco that, other than the motor, was given to the council.

                  It was replaced by something far better:

                   

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                  JA

                   

                  #834233
                  Paul Lousick
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                    @paullousick59116

                    I have a similar bandsaw to the XL shown above (different brand from China) and it has been excellent.  Compact and lightweight and will cut 85×105 mm rectangular steel. Weighs ablout 20kg. . Only problem in 7 years was to replace the rollers that guide the blade which are only standard ball bearings. I recommend to use bi-metal blades which cost a little extra but last a lot longer.

                    #834298
                    Howard Lewis
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                      @howardlewis46836

                      Initially, I tried a small (Warco) bandsaw, to store under the belt. It had a voracious appetite for blades, and its replacement arrived with a cracked casting.

                      Upgraded to the generic 6 x 4.5, where the blades lasted longer.

                      There was a problem with the flimsy, thin, bearing spacer. (Ruined the oil seal and the lower bearing) A new seal and bearings, with a home made sturdy bearing spacer solved that problem, and led to a careful set up.

                      After a lot of careful setting up, and making, and using a Blade Tension Meter, the blades wear out rather than break.

                      Time spent carefully setting up, alignment of rollers, tracking, and tension, is well spent and pays dividends.

                      Howard

                       

                      It has now been in use for many years.

                      #834307
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        I’ve got a Femi the same model as JA, very happy with it and you can cut bigger than it is supposed to with a bit of jiggling about. No time needed to fettle it just plug in and play.

                        #834317
                        SillyOldDuffer
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                          @sillyoldduffer

                          What’s meant by “decent”?  Stating the budget, how much cutting, and how accurate the beast needs to be would help.

                          • Decent for Me.  I have a Warco, rather like their current 4½” model, which might be improved.  Cost today £381.  It’s purpose is cutting stock approximately to shape, which it does.  Often used, but not heavily.  Arrived with several minor problems needing fettling and a too-cheap carbon steel blade that didn’t last.  Inspection revealed a reasonable basic design and solid construction, but poorly finished parts and a few slight assembly issues.  Most serious problem was being unable to adjust it enough to cut sufficiently straight. A few hours hand tool fettling fixed it; not a project.  Replacing the blade helped. Since worked OK for 10 years, no bother.  The first bimetallic blade lasted 8 years, second is still going strong.  Doesn’t cut perfectly straight, but so near I can’t be bothered to tweak it.   A thoroughly good buy.
                          • Decent for JA.   I guess JA is a more serious player than me.  Does more cutting and values accuracy and speed.  Not inclined to waste time fettling a brand-new saw. (Unlike a time-rich hobbyist seeing it as an interesting challenge or a good way of saving a few quid.) The Femi 782 is of similar design to the Warco, but considerably finessed; be surprised to find assembly issues or crudely finished parts inside.  Femi band-saws have a good reputation for reliability and accuracy.  Only fly in the ointment is cost:  from £589 up.

                          My rough Warco does all I need for nearly half the price of a Femi, which I call “decent”.  JA found his Warco wasn’t “good enough”, and replaced it.   His Warco wasn’t decent, found not “fit for purpose”, and replaced.  Quite right.   I guess it wasn’t a Warco 712B, yours for only £1569…

                          Offhand, I don’t know of a band-saw price-positioned between the Warco* hobby saws and the Femi.   Anyone?

                          Dave

                          *Similar saws available from other suppliers.

                          #834331
                          not done it yet
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                            @notdoneityet

                            My ‘decent’  bandsaw is a Starrett s1100 (or 1101?).  Does all I need it to do accurately – with Tuffsaws blades.  They are pricey with no gimmicks, but just good.  Maybe would have been better with a two-speed motor, perhaps, but I don’t think that has particularly been an issue.

                            #834341
                            Macolm
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                              @macolm

                              The Starrett saws and those from various other suppliers appear to be badged Femi units. The Femi saws are quite lightly constructed, but well designed, and work really well.

                              One big advantage they have is portability. I take mine when buying a 6 metre length of metal in order to cut it into manageable bits. Check the merchant will let you plug it in!

                              #834372
                              Clive Foster
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                                @clivefoster55965

                                Mrs Google comes up with half a dozen or so “similar to the XL” bandsaws priced within about £30, up and down, of £400. Some appear to be direct copies some slightly different.

                                Buying on looks really I guess although one would hope that paying bit more for a recognised brand name would mean less likelihood of issues and more accessible support if there is a problem compared to sourcing direct or from a “who they” Amazon supplier.

                                As ever its quality control and the extra manufacturing effort to make the consistently close tolerance parts desirable for long term proper operation straight out of the box that push the prices of the better versions up. But good enough for you is always good enough.

                                Certainly things have changed greatly since the bad old days when the 6 x 4 HV saws first made it t this country making affordable, respectably robust, metal cutting bandsaws for the hobby and uber tight fisted commercial users a reality. My (very) early Alpine probably came in on the third (or so) boat and needed an incredible amount of fettling to get reliable results. Very much a case of “Its not how well the bear dances that matters, it’s the fact that it dances at all”. Naturally the guy across the road from a friend got one, of a different brand, that just worked straight out of the box despite horrible manufacturing quality.  These days mine comes out about once a year. A 14″ Starlight vertical and Rapidor power hacksaw do almost all the work. Which is right for me.

                                Clive

                                #834407
                                not done it yet
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                                  @notdoneityet
                                  On Macolm Said:

                                  The Starrett saws and those from various other suppliers appear to be badged Femi units. The Femi saws are quite lightly constructed, but well designed, and work really well.

                                  One big advantage they have is portability. I take mine when buying a 6 metre length of metal in order to cut it into manageable bits. Check the merchant will let you plug it in!

                                  I thought Femi were made in Italy.  My Starrett was made in Brazil.

                                  #834410
                                  JA
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                                    @ja

                                    My Femi clearly states that it is made in Italy (2020) as in the photo.

                                    Before I bought it I considered a Rapido saw (they use to sit in the corner of a college workshop or tool room, running night and day, and being looked after by the labourer) but the thought of reconditioning a truly clapped out, three phase, tool frightened me.

                                    Perhaps a subject for the magazine?

                                    JA

                                    #834462
                                    Macolm
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                                      @macolm

                                      Woops! The Femi is certainly made in Italy, and the bandsaws on the Starrett website are certainly not the same, so I think I was mistaken. I vaguely remember looking at the first Starrett bandsaw they marketed, and concluding it was the same as my Femi.

                                      Femi certainly did supply badged saws to suppliers at one time. Mine is indeed a “Record”, and also has a Femi name plate with the characteristics. I have had it well over 20 years, and have never had to carry out any adjustment to the basic blade alignment. It is well worth buying superior quality bimetal blades for good results and durability.

                                      #835124
                                      Peter Simpson 3
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                                        @petersimpson3

                                        Ja What are the overall dimensions of the 782 XL ? Peter

                                        #836321
                                        Bill Dawes
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                                          @billdawes

                                          I bought a Clarke one from Machine Mart about 10 years ago and it has been a boon, can be used in Horizontal mode for sawing through round bar etc and used it loads of times in the vertical position A La bandsaw for cutting sheet.

                                          Just replaced bandsaw a couple of times, nothing else.

                                          Bill D.

                                           

                                          #836444
                                          larry phelan 1
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                                            @larryphelan1

                                            Much the same as my experience, Bill, although mine came from Chester with a shitty stand which I replaced with something much better.

                                            I also fitted it with a pump from a washing machine, does wonders for the blade life.

                                            One of the best items I ever bought.

                                            #847811
                                            Adam Harris
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                                              @adamharris13683

                                              So Robert Dyas has a “Holzmann BS125M 400W Portable” bandsaw for £387 – it looks very similar to the Femi XL 782 but obviously only 400w vs 950w. Should I expect this to be of similar quality just a bit slower? Actually at Homebase only £345

                                              #847828
                                              Clive Foster
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                                                @clivefoster55965

                                                Adam

                                                400 w sounds rather underpowered. Blade clogging can be a very real issue with bandsaws in hobby land where generally one blade has to do it all rather than swopping for more appropriate tooth counts to match material size. Extra oomph often makes the difference between cutting continuing despite overfilled inter teeth gullets and things coming to a shuddering halt with a well jammed blade.

                                                Getting everything out post jam without damaging the blade can be, um, “fraught”.

                                                Specification says stemless speed change so likely a DC motor. So less power at lower speeds. Odds are that the 400 W is specified at an impractically high speed for our sort of work too.

                                                If you get one I reckon first job after getting home will be to arrange a cutting lubrication application system to reduce power demands.

                                                Clive

                                                #848088
                                                Adam Harris
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                                                  @adamharris13683

                                                  Hi Clive, many thanks for your response (sorry for my delay!). I will follow your advice and focus on higher powered machines. I will keep an eye out for a bargain used Femi but the good reviews indicate owners might not be in a hurry to offload! Adam

                                                  #848129
                                                  JohnF
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                                                    @johnf59703

                                                    I see its a resurrected old thread but another plus 1 for the Femi bandsaw, had mine many years and it punches above its weight plus a small footprint.  There is a vertical table available for these that clamps in the vice — very useful !

                                                    As a matter of interest there is a clone on offer on the Chester site at the moment, I know nothing about this particular machine but at the price worth a look

                                                    John

                                                    #848130
                                                    John Haine
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                                                      @johnhaine32865

                                                      IMHO though the Femi is a great machine their table is not so good – basically a casting and the top surface has a rough finish.  Stakesys sell one that I think is pressed steel and would probably be better.

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