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  • #825255
    Ian R
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      @ianr

      What is the best method of drilling 1.5 mm hole in a 3.5 mm steel bar.

       

      #825256
      Grindstone Cowboy
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        @grindstonecowboy

        In which direction? Blondihacks did a good video on making a cross-drilling jig, if you have a lot to do, it might be worth making one.

        Rob

        #825258
        cedric 1
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          @cedric

          Make a quick drill jig from a piece of square bar held in a vice securely bolted to your drill press table. Drill your 3.5mm hole through the bar. Then rotate the bar 90 degrees , but keeping the same side against the fixed jaw of the vice. Now drill your 1.5mm hole through the square bar.

          Now you can stick your round bar in the 3.5 hole and drill your 1.5mm hole through it.

          #825262
          Peter Cook 6
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            @petercook6

            If its just one hole, I would clamp it in the mill vice, find centre of the bar and mill a small flat with a 1mm end mill to stop the drill wandering, centre drill, then drill.

            #825264
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Maybe it’s the sizes I’m used to working with as I don’t give 1.5mm a second thought.

              If into the end of round bar use the lathe & face the bar, spot drill the end and then in with the 1.5mm drill.

              If it’s flat bar then I drill using my mill but clamped to a drill press table or in a fixed vice I would again spot drill and then use the 1.5mm

              Cross drilling round bar, again hold in fixed vice, locate centre of 3.5mm rod, spot and 1.5mm drill.

              If the hole is deep then retract the drill often to clear swarf and use some cutting fluid

              #825269
              cedric 1
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                @cedric

                I just remembered a clever but simple way of cross drilling, courtesy of GH Thomas.

                Take a short offcut piece of your 3.5 round, and drill a 1.5 hole  lengthways through it in the lathe.

                Then grip your 3.5 shaft in the drill vice, with this small piece placed vertical where you want the cross hole to be. It is sat on the shaft and nipped up by the vice jaws too. Use it to guide your 1.5 drill right through the shaft, dead in the middle.

                Quick and easy and I have done it many times now on piston rods  etc on model engines. So easy I don’t even think about it. All just part of the job.

                #825270
                bernard towers
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                  @bernardtowers37738

                  Cross drilling jig in early MEW around 1992/3. Made mine then and still using it. set up time about 30 secs!!!!

                  #825273
                  bernard towers
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                    @bernardtowers37738

                    1991 issue no5 page 48

                    #825280
                    not done it yet
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                      @notdoneityet

                      If it is not too important, and is cross-drilling, I securely fix the rod in my vise, and lower a milling cutter until the faintest of mark appears.  It is then dot punched and drilled.  Might not be sufficiently accurate for a small diameter rod, but usually close enough for most things I machine.🙂

                      #825283
                      bernard towers
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                        @bernardtowers37738

                        Why are you happy with MAYBE getting it right?

                        #825286
                        Andrew Tinsley
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                          @andrewtinsley63637

                          Made a mess of doing as the OP wants to do. Broke a carbide drill to boot (1.2mm) Broken bit stuck and in quite deep.

                          Finally spark eroded the both the drill and the hole. Am I glad I made a spark erosion machine!!

                          ANDREW.

                          #825290
                          Nicholas Farr
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                            @nicholasfarr14254

                            Hi, if it’s one or a few that I do, it would be on a Vee block. When I had to do two or three hundred years ago, I did what cedric 1 has said, and I even case hardened the the square block where the hole was, as I had to do these every year, for roller conveyor rods, which had to have a hole at each end.

                            I’ve still got the square bar somewhere.

                            Regards Nick.

                            #825295
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              The best method rather depends on what equipment you have and what accuracy is required.

                              Cross drilling jig may be OK if you have the lathe to use it on but if you are having problems drilling a hole what is the likelyhood of making the jig with the vee perfectly central and that also assumes you have something to machine the vee with.

                              If you only have a bench drill then holding the work in a vice and bringing the point of a spotting drill down to trap a steel rule will get you quite close. Clamp the vice when the rule is horizontal and then spot before drilling. If you have a batch to do then clamp something against the end of the rod and subsequent ones will go back into th evice in the same position.

                              As for me if I need it accurate I will hold in the mill vice and use an edge finder and DRO to get th ehole position, both across the rod and in from the end. Probably more accurate for the end position than marking out and lining up in a cross drilling jig. Also works if the piece of 3.5mm bar is very short.

                               

                              #825299
                              Nicholas Farr
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                                @nicholasfarr14254

                                Hi JasonB, hold the Vee block in a suitable vice on your drilling machine table, line it up with the spindle, centre pop your rod where you what the hole, then hold it in the Vee block, and drill the hole. I must have done it that way hundreds of times.

                                Regards Nick.

                                #825307
                                Nigel Graham 2
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                                  @nigelgraham2

                                  A Vee-block for a limited range of diameters does not need be of Vee-profile.

                                  It can be a rectangular channel, which may be simpler to make especially if for a cross-drilling pad held in the lathe tailstock.

                                  I centralise a Vee-block on a bench-drill simply by gently holding the block, in vice, down with a piece of faced bar in the chuck, or the chuck nose itself, while clamping the vice to the table.

                                  #825308
                                  JasonB
                                  Moderator
                                    @jasonb

                                    Nick

                                    But how do you ensure the ctr pop is dead on the top of the 3.5mm rod? And if you only have a steel rule and scriber how would you get the pop mark say 1.75mm from the end +/_ 0.01mm?

                                    Even with the pop mark spot on how do you get it dead under the spindkle as a small 1.5mm drill could easily wander over towards a slightly out of position pop mark and give a wonky hole.

                                     

                                    To me a vee block or tailstock cross drilling jig only locates the hole centrally across the rod. It does not accurately position the hole from the end. And unless you clamp the work to the jig and spot or ctr drill then there is no easy way to ensure that a pre ctr punched mark is perfectly on the crest of the rod when placed in the jig or vee block. Unless someone can convince me otherwise. Probably fine for a split pin hole but would you want to put a gudgeon pin through a piston using the same method.

                                    #825311
                                    SillyOldDuffer
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                                      @sillyoldduffer

                                      I once had to make a coupler where the hole was offset from the centre axis:

                                      Screenshot From 2025-11-19 17-20-04

                                      Did it in the mill by bringing an end-cutter down to make a flat, centre-drilling a starting hole, and following through with a twist drill.

                                      Had to go in the lathe for knurling and grooving.  The exciting part was the rod being 1″ diameter and 4′ long.  Had to take special precautions to stop it whipping!

                                      Dave

                                       

                                      #825314
                                      Ian R
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                                        @ianr

                                        Cedric

                                         

                                        Now you can stick your round bar in the 3.5 hole and drill your 1.5mm hole through it.

                                         

                                        I need to drill three holes in line in my 3.5 mm bar How would you suggest I ensure the 3.5 mm bar does not move inside the square bar

                                        Thank you

                                        #825315
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          Ian, maybe you can tell us what machines you have available.

                                          For three or any number in line I would do as I mentioned and just feed th emill along the required amount to get the spacing, as the rod remains held in a vice they will all be in line. But if you don’t have a mill its not worth suggesting such methods.

                                          #825318
                                          Ian R
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                                            @ianr

                                            Jason

                                            lathe

                                            pillar drill

                                            milling machine

                                            #825326
                                            Bill Phinn
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                                              @billphinn90025
                                              On Ian R Said:

                                              I need to drill three holes in line in my 3.5 mm bar How would you suggest I ensure the 3.5 mm bar does not move inside the square bar

                                              Thank you

                                              What’s the square bar doing, Ian, and how are you holding the work for drilling?

                                              On the face of it, if you have a mill, the job should be very straightforward, but without further explanation from you it’s impossible to know exactly what you’re attempting.

                                              #825327
                                              Ian R
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                                                @ianr

                                                This refers to a previous suggestion that I use square bar with a 3.5 mm hole in middle to hold the round bar I am trying to drill three in line  1.5 mm holes through

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                #825330
                                                Bazyle
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                                                  @bazyle

                                                  The GHT / Cedric method is brilliant but may not have been understood.
                                                  The guide piece drilled centrally in the lathe when subsequently held in the vice turns that vice into a cross-drilling jig by placing the guide hole equidistant from each jaw with the jaws 3.5mm apart. Then a square or round bar can be inserted between the jaws underneath the guide for cross-drilling.
                                                  A clamp on the target bar can be used to prevent rotation/provide a reference plane. The distance from the end can be measured relative to the guide with callipers allowing for half the guide diameter.
                                                  After a few years one could build up a collection of such guides. Bother, should have started this years ago.

                                                  #825335
                                                  JasonB
                                                  Moderator
                                                    @jasonb

                                                    So assuming the holes all line up and are across the ctr of the rod and you have a mill.

                                                    Clock the vice in to ensure it is true along the X axis. Clamp the bar in the vice supported on parallels with a little sticking out one end.

                                                    Use an edge finder to locate the end and move half the finders diameter and zero the handwheel or DRO, then use it to either touch one side of the rod then zero dials and move over half x (rod plus edge finder dia) or if you have  a DRO touch one side zero Y, touch the other side and use the 1/2 function to get th emid point. If no edge finder then use the shank of the spot or ctr drill to touch off.

                                                    With the spindle now directly over the middle of the rod and one end put a spot or centre drill into the chuck and move along Y to the position of the first hole and spot, change to the 1.5 drill and complete the hole not forgetting to remove the parallel before hand. Move along to the next position and repeat, ditto the third.

                                                    All holes should be positioned to 0.001″ or 0.005mm

                                                    If that does not make sense, then just say so and I’ll go and drill a bit of bar tomorrow and record it.

                                                    Or take a look at my current Kelsey thread, the two parts covered so far use the same methods to place a number of holes and it makes no real difference if it is into a flat stock or a round bar.

                                                    #825351
                                                    cedric 1
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                                                      @cedric
                                                      On Bazyle Said:

                                                      The GHT / Cedric method is brilliant but may not have been understood.
                                                      The guide piece drilled centrally in the lathe when subsequently held in the vice turns that vice into a cross-drilling jig by placing the guide hole equidistant from each jaw with the jaws 3.5mm apart. Then a square or round bar can be inserted between the jaws underneath the guide for cross-drilling.
                                                      A clamp on the target bar can be used to prevent rotation/provide a reference plane. The distance from the end can be measured relative to the guide with callipers allowing for half the guide diameter.
                                                      After a few years one could build up a collection of such guides. Bother, should have started this years ago.

                                                      Thanks for clarifying. Here is a picture of a mock up showing the basic principle.

                                                      20251120_082003

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