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  • #244561
    Martin Newbold
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      @martinnewbold

      i am looking at parting tools i can use does anyone have a recomendation please

      Martin

      #8188
      Martin Newbold
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        #244562
        Brian Oldford
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          @brianoldford70365

          If you can get one to fit your particular lathe I cannot recommend strongly enough to go for a rear tool post. I invested in one a few months ago and parting off ever since has been a breeze. I'm sure others can outline the theory why they do such a good job. All I know beforehand I would get chatter and snatching and every other problem that part-off can produce. As long as the tool is keen I can now part of confidently first time every time.

          #244568
          Martin Newbold
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            @martinnewbold

            Brian , are you talking about an adjustable toolpost so that the hieght can be adjusted. thanks for your reply

            Martin

            #244576
            Nobby
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              @nobby

              Hi Martin
              Part from the back if you can .Tool digs out non in .no backlash on the feed screw as its pushing against the screw when parting Nobby parting off

              #244585
              Bill Pudney
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                @billpudney37759

                If your small lathe is one of the more advanced ones with a bolt on chuck, you can mount the parting tool upside down in the normal toolpost, and run the lathe backwards.

                Obviously if your lathe has the more traditional screw on chuck this "running in reverse" will almost certainly not work because the chuck will/may be unscrewed, leading to all sorts of unexpected excitement.

                Years ago I made a post and clamp type toolpost, there are photos in my album.

                cheers

                Bill

                #244589
                Nick Thorpe
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                  @nickthorpe64546

                  I was asking myself the same question recently and did a lot of research. On a recommendation from a post on this site I bought the Chronos Chipbreaker type parting tool shown HERE.

                  I am a novice and was dreading using a parting tool but this worked like a dream cutting 3/4" steel bar on my 5" Boxford CUD. I would have preferred one of the bigger sizes but they are out of stock. The small size that is in stock should be ideal for a small lathe and at £16 including delivery it is a bargain.

                  Nick

                  #244594
                  mechman48
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                    @mechman48

                    You don't say which type of lathe you have; there are a number of types of parting tool out there, the only difference being the design of holder, Nick has indicated a model that is quite cheap & will certainly do the job. I have a couple of different ones myself that are mounted in the front position but I also have a rear mounted design, made from a Hemmingway kit, for my lathe & for larger dia. parting off it certainly does the job so one of those is certainly useful.

                    My rear mounted parting off set up…

                    parting off (1).jpg

                    George.

                    #244599
                    Brian John
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                      @brianjohn93961

                      I use this tool on my small optimum lathe and it works well. The height has to be exact so you may have to experiment with some shims but when it is set up correctly it will whip right through brass and aluminium  with no problems. I have even cut stainless steel with it.

                      **LINK**

                      I bought an extra blade : one I keep with its original flat edge for recess cuts and the other one I put a sharp edge on it for parting off.

                      Edited By Brian John on 29/06/2016 08:21:09

                      #244603
                      Douglas Johnston
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                        @douglasjohnston98463

                        I was lucky enough to pick up a parting blade holder and ten tips for a bargain price on ebay a while back. The tips are only 1.6mm wide and the narrow width makes a large difference when parting on my small lathe. They are a joy to use on the front toolpost.

                        Doug

                        #244609
                        IanT
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                          @iant

                          I agree that the type of parting tool you might need will depend to a large extent on your lathe size and whether you have a slotted cross-slide (to mount a rear-tool post on etc).

                          As a general comment though, I have several sizes of inserted-type parting tools – a large one for a fixed height rear mounted holder and a smaller (thinner) one that is used from the front. Something I haven't seen mentioned is that neither require a change in height as you adjust the depth of cut. I like this, as although they both cut very well, I do not have to extend them any further than necessary to make the required cut, which aids rigidity.

                          In other words, once set to height, I can slide the tool in and out to suit the diameter of the material being parted without re-setting its height. Some HSS parting tools/holders use the amount of tool extension to set the tool height – which (in my view) is an unnecessary hassle. Just a thought.

                          Regards, IanT

                          #244610
                          Packmule
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                            @packmule

                            I use a mini lathe and bought two of the eclipse parting tools from the Doncaster show. These are tapered on end section and so far have worked brilliantly. No screaming from swarf being trapped etc , nice cuts .One of my better buys yes

                            Bob

                            #244612
                            Ady1
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                              @ady1

                              I have one of the toolpost tool holder types as indicated above and they work well

                              If you look carefully at the original blade you can see that it has been ground to fit very securely into the holder, the top and bottom edges are not simply a plain flat blade, there is a slight angle, this is because every tiny detail helps when parting off

                              #244613
                              Vic
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                                @vic
                                Posted by Nick Thorpe on 29/06/2016 06:42:54:

                                I was asking myself the same question recently and did a lot of research. On a recommendation from a post on this site I bought the Chronos Chipbreaker type parting tool shown HERE.

                                I am a novice and was dreading using a parting tool but this worked like a dream cutting 3/4" steel bar on my 5" Boxford CUD. I would have preferred one of the bigger sizes but they are out of stock. The small size that is in stock should be ideal for a small lathe and at £16 including delivery it is a bargain.

                                Nick

                                Yes, I've got one of those and thoroughly recommend it. The price is good as well.

                                #244629
                                Howard Lewis
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                                  @howardlewis46836

                                  Fully agree with everyone advocating a Rear Tool Post. If possible, make/buy one with more than one tool position, so that you can chamfer the ends before parting off.

                                  If in doubt, go for maximum rigidity! The greater the rigidity, the less risk of chatter. Set to centre height is taken as read.

                                  And stating the obvious, don't let the tool rub, keep feeding it in, gently.

                                  Howard.

                                  #244635
                                  Martin Newbold
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                                    @martinnewbold

                                    Thank you all for the replies and this is a lot of information, cheers. I am not really sure why a rear one tool post is better. Does the lathe have to be reversed for this to function. Does the blade fit in at an angle into the rear holder are these expensive to buy or are there any plans for making one .

                                    #244636
                                    mechman48
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                                      @mechman48

                                      As I mentioned in my post … Hemming way do a kit, comes with all castings & full set of plans, not too difficult to make

                                      George

                                      #244639
                                      Sandgrounder
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                                        @sandgrounder
                                        Posted by Martin Newbold on 29/06/2016 12:14:04:

                                        Thank you all for the replies and this is a lot of information, cheers. I am not really sure why a rear one tool post is better. Does the lathe have to be reversed for this to function. Does the blade fit in at an angle into the rear holder are these expensive to buy or are there any plans for making one .

                                        The lathe doesn't have to be reversed as the parting tool at the rear is now upside down, and because the tool post is mounted directly on the cross slide this removes any play there is in the top slide and makes the whole set up more rigid.

                                        John

                                        #244642
                                        Martin Newbold
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                                          @martinnewbold

                                          I had a look at my saddle arrangement and don't think there is room to fit a rear ToolPost . I am considering an adjustable ToolPost has anyone ever fitted one to an ML7 saddle. It looks like it has a changeable size post centre  can this be obtained to fit and an adjustable type?

                                          Edited By Martin Newbold on 29/06/2016 13:29:48

                                          #244650
                                          Martin Newbold
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                                            @martinnewbold

                                            Looks like this ML7 saddle

                                            #244653
                                            Neil Wyatt
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                                              @neilwyatt

                                              There's a design for a rear toolpost by my predecessor Stan Bray, which I think is meant for the ML7 or similar here:

                                              http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/news/article/free-plan-swing-clear-rear-toolpost/18494

                                              Neil

                                              #244655
                                              Neil Wyatt
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                                                @neilwyatt

                                                But I wouldn't bother until I had tried conventional parting first.

                                                I have found carbide insert tools a revelation but they demand high speeds and feeds which I doubt a beginner will want to use.

                                                I have many different HSS tools and the main requirements for their successful use are confidence and a sharp edge.

                                                Neil

                                                #244672
                                                Martin Newbold
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                                                  Posted by Neil Wyatt on 29/06/2016 13:50:27:

                                                  There's a design for a rear toolpost by my predecessor Stan Bray, which I think is meant for the ML7 or similar here:

                                                  http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/news/article/free-plan-swing-clear-rear-toolpost/18494

                                                  Neil

                                                  Wow nice work . I am thinking of modding the shaft to take something like a Dickson has anyone done this . I presume the shaft is bolted in by screws and could be fitted with a new shaft are these available to buy from Myford please ?

                                                  #244673
                                                  Vic
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                                                    @vic

                                                    Posted by Martin Newbold on 29/06/2016 12:14:04:

                                                    Thank you all for the replies and this is a lot of information, cheers. I am not really sure why a rear one tool post is better. Does the lathe have to be reversed for this to function. Does the blade fit in at an angle into the rear holder are these expensive to buy or are there any plans for making one .

                                                    As explained earlier, you don't really need to use a rear toolpost if your chuck is bolted on (as most import hobby lathes are) it's mainly for Myford owners who can't run their lathe in reverse.

                                                    Have a look at this.

                                                    **LINK**

                                                    #244885
                                                    Howard Lewis
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                                                      @howardlewis46836

                                                      Normally, a parting tool, (or any other for that matter) in a rear toolpost, is mounted inverted, (ie cutting edge facing down) and the lathe is run in the normal "forward" rotation.

                                                      Various theories have been advanced as to why a rear toolpost is better, and less prone to chatter or dig ins. Most seem to revolve around the way that the forces acting in the opposite direction, affect the clearances between the dovetails.

                                                      Suffice to say that most folk seem to find that they work better, free up a space in the front 4 way!

                                                      If a lathe has a screw on chuck, WITH chuck retainers, it can be run in reverse, safely. Reverse running without them is possible, with care, but RISKY and not advised, because of the obvious risk of the chuck coming off the Mandrel.

                                                      There are various plans available for making a back toolpost, to take either a single tool, or to carry two, parting or chamfer. ( See "The Amateurs Lathe", G H Thomas etc)  Some, locate the tool at an angle, whilst others place it horizontal so that the top rake has to be ground in to the tool itself.

                                                      Howard

                                                      Edited By Howard Lewis on 30/06/2016 23:05:09

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