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  • #560658
    William Harvey 1
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      @williamharvey1

      Hi,

      I am rebuilding a Classic Mini Subframe. To clean the Brake Caliper threads on the Swivel Hubs of paint, I ran through a 3/8" UNF Tap. The Tap went through with minimal effort.

      However on fitting the bolt it is rather sloppy, compared to all the others which have not been cleaned out.

      The thread was identified the thread as a 3/8 UNF and I had a 3/8 UNF thread, item 10 in the parts catalogue link here.

      What would be the best way to 'fix' the slight sloppiness? I was thinking Loctite Blue Thread Lock or a little Epoxy? It will also have a locking washer.

      #28329
      William Harvey 1
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        @williamharvey1
        #560665
        noel shelley
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          @noelshelley55608

          I would torque it up and see if it takes the load – if yes then loctite ! If not then helicoil or similar thread repair. Good Luck. Noel

          #560677
          John Hinkley
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            @johnhinkley26699

            The last thing you want when you throw out the anchors is the brake caliper flapping about in breeze. If it was my life on the line, I'd be using a helicoil. No question. Better still, buy another hub carrier with decent threads.

            John

            #560678
            William Harvey 1
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              @williamharvey1

              Thanks guys, I'll try the caliper in place and see if it locks up ok and then use some Thread Lock. If not looks like it will have to come off and Helicoil.

              #560679
              not done it yet
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                @notdoneityet

                First question: Is the bolt the original or what is its origin – like was it purchased from mini spares on that part number?

                #560681
                Howard Lewis
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                  @howardlewis46836

                  The correct torque for a 3/8 – 24 UNF bolt, according to Hobson Engineering website, would be 30 lb ft.

                  Although this might depend upon the grade of material of the bolt. Presumably this figure is for high tensile bolts.

                  If you are worried about security, you could always tighten to less, having treated the threads with an anaerobic thread locker.

                  An anaerobic should function quite well with a gap of 0.003", which is probably less than you have.

                  Howard

                  #560684
                  John Haine
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                    @johnhaine32865

                    Can you get a nut on the back?

                    #560693
                    A Smith
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                      @asmith78105

                      It seems that some of those responding assume that the car is not intended to be driven.

                      #560695
                      Martin Connelly
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                        @martinconnelly55370

                        The replacement brake pad kits I have fitted recently came with replacement calliper bolts with pre-applied blue thread locking stuff (for want of a better description) on them. It is obviously felt that the calliper securing bolts are a highly stressed part that should be routinely replaced with new ones when the pads are replaced and that the fit should be such that the thread locking will work. So if you don't have new bolts get some, if the fit is too loose for thread locking liquids to be effective either Helicoil or replace the calliper. It should not something that causes you to worry every time you apply the brakes. Don't forget also that they can get hot in use so a good mechanical fit is essential, not a sloppy one that only just takes the torque. With front wheel drive you are not just stopping the car, you may also be braking the engine so the front brakes do a lot of work, the back ones hardly any.

                        I had a Fiesta that I commuted to work in in the 1980s. Coming up to a junction as I applied the brake I had a failure that that reduced the braking effect by about 50%, one of the front brake hubs sheared between the disk and the hub due to corrosion and stress. If it had happened in an emergency braking situation I think I would have been unable to avoid a collision. Don't take any chances with the brakes being good enough, they need to be properly maintained with parts that are in good condition.

                        Martin C

                        #560721
                        Dave Halford
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                          @davehalford22513

                          Given that the thread in the hub will not have corroded, what was the old bolt fit like?

                          l'm also assuming that the hub wasn't blast cleaned without bolts protecting the hub threads and cleaning out the threads did not involve metal dust.

                          New bolts can be a little loose on the clearances

                          #560725
                          john halfpenny
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                            @johnhalfpenny52803

                            From memory, shouldn't it be a shouldered bolt, ie plain portion larger od than the threaded portion?

                            #560748
                            not done it yet
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                              @notdoneityet
                              Posted by john halfpenny on 01/09/2021 16:24:55:

                              From memory, shouldn't it be a shouldered bolt, ie plain portion larger od than the threaded portion?

                              That is what is shown on the illustration? I would not expect a high tensile bolt to be threaded right up to the head.

                              #560750
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                Posted by William Harvey 1 on 01/09/2021 10:07:06:

                                Hi,

                                I am rebuilding a Classic Mini Subframe. To clean the Brake Caliper threads on the Swivel Hubs of paint, I ran through a 3/8" UNF Tap. The Tap went through with minimal effort.

                                However on fitting the bolt it is rather sloppy, compared to all the others […]

                                .

                                I have to ask : What grade of fit is that Tap … and is as per specification ?

                                MichaelG.

                                #560761
                                HOWARDT
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                                  @howardt

                                  Cast iron and steel do form a slightly corrosive interface. To some extent both will deteriorate. If you do fit a helicoil ensure it is correct for a through hole.

                                  #560768
                                  William Harvey 1
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                                    @williamharvey1
                                    Posted by not done it yet on 01/09/2021 11:30:18:

                                    First question: Is the bolt the original or what is its origin – like was it purchased from mini spares on that part number?

                                    Yes the bolt was purchased new from MiniSpares.

                                    #560769
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2021 18:39:42:

                                      .

                                      I have to ask : What grade of fit is that Tap … and is as per specification ?

                                      MichaelG.

                                      .

                                      Apologies … wrong terminolgy ^^^
                                      I should have written ‘class of fit’ not ‘grade of fit’ blush

                                      .

                                      Please see Thread Fit, on p2 of this document : **LINK**

                                      https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Article%20-%20Screw%20Threads%20Design.pdf

                                      MichaelG.

                                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2021 20:40:12

                                      #560775
                                      Nick Welburn
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                                        @nickwelburn

                                        I’ve had a couple of these that are less than great. Not sure why they get chewed up. On my last project I just fitted new castings. Not sure if some of the aftermarket callipers are a touch off and make it easy to chew up?

                                        #560780
                                        old mart
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                                          @oldmart

                                          I don't understand the op's second paragraph in the original posting.

                                          #560782
                                          bernard towers
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                                            @bernardtowers37738

                                            Howard T , Interesting point you made about thru hole helicoils, I used them several years ago and they were called centre nip but when I rang for some recently I was told they were no longer made and to use standard ones!!

                                            #560828
                                            William Harvey 1
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                                              @williamharvey1
                                              Posted by old mart on 01/09/2021 21:52:28:

                                              I don't understand the op's second paragraph in the original posting.

                                              I only cleaned out one of the threads with the 3/8" Tap, The ones I haven't cleaned out are nice and tight, so I have left them.

                                              #560944
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                                thinking … Still wondering

                                                MichaelG.

                                                #560959
                                                Neil Wyatt
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                                                  Posted by William Harvey 1 on 02/09/2021 10:23:47:

                                                  Posted by old mart on 01/09/2021 21:52:28:

                                                  I don't understand the op's second paragraph in the original posting.

                                                  I only cleaned out one of the threads with the 3/8" Tap, The ones I haven't cleaned out are nice and tight, so I have left them.

                                                  When you say 'cleaned out' did the tap remove any metal or were you just clearing out the paint?

                                                  #560966
                                                  William Harvey 1
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                                                    @williamharvey1
                                                    Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2021 20:39:43:

                                                    Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2021 18:39:42:

                                                    .

                                                    I have to ask : What grade of fit is that Tap … and is as per specification ?

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    .

                                                    Apologies … wrong terminolgy ^^^
                                                    I should have written ‘class of fit’ not ‘grade of fit’ blush

                                                    .

                                                    Please see Thread Fit, on p2 of this document : **LINK**

                                                    https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Article%20-%20Screw%20Threads%20Design.pdf

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/09/2021 20:40:12

                                                    Not sure?

                                                    On the side of the Tap it just says '3/8 NF 24'

                                                    #560967
                                                    William Harvey 1
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                                                      @williamharvey1
                                                      Posted by Neil Wyatt on 02/09/2021 17:54:02:

                                                      Posted by William Harvey 1 on 02/09/2021 10:23:47:

                                                      Posted by old mart on 01/09/2021 21:52:28:

                                                      I don't understand the op's second paragraph in the original posting.

                                                      I only cleaned out one of the threads with the 3/8" Tap, The ones I haven't cleaned out are nice and tight, so I have left them.

                                                      When you say 'cleaned out' did the tap remove any metal or were you just clearing out the paint?

                                                      Only a small amount cam out with the Tap, I assumed it was paint, but maybe it was a little swarf?

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