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  • #13880
    Anthony Knights
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      #470301
      Anthony Knights
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        @anthonyknights16741

        I recently purchased some 50x50mm square bar which I am going to cut into tool post sized pieces for my CL300 lathe. Trying to do this with my 125mm angle grinder in a cut off gadget, has shown up it's short comings. Not going to the pub has left me with some surplus cash so I am considering buying a small band saw. I say small because I am restricted for space and would want a bench top mounted one which would fit in a 600x600mm (2ftx2ft) area. I have looked at the advertisers on this site and the only one which fits the bill, is the HV85 from Chester Machine Tools. I am looking for information from any one who has had experience of this or similar models.

        Thank you in advance

        Anthony.

        #470305
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Look at a Femi or copy, only need about 1ft width of bench and are light enough to pick up one handed and tucked away if you want the benchtop space. A search for Femi will bring up several posts.

          This is mine, 120mm x 120mm capacity and will do your 50×50 in under 2mins.

          Edited By JasonB on 09/05/2020 10:11:17

          #470306
          Circlip
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            @circlip

            2" square? Get some exercise and use a Hacksaw. 12" variety not a Phillips junior.

            Regards Ian.

            #470310
            Dave Halford
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              @davehalford22513

              Some thought this one when Aldi was selling it was OK, whether the differences are worth the extra 100 is up for debate.

              #470311
              Stuart Bridger
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                @stuartbridger82290

                Femi all the way, they don't take up much space and are far better quality than other brands, with a bit of a price premium.

                #470312
                Oven Man
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                  @ovenman

                  The Chester HV80 is a good example of bottom of the range Chinese engineering. I got mine free when I bought a mill from Chester a couple of years ago. Despite its rough edges I would not want to be without it. After some fettling it now cuts remarkably square and true. Note that it doesn't come with an auto switch off like it says on the website. I added a switch and a hydraulic down feed adjuster to make something a bit bit better than a sows ear but definitely no silk purse.

                  Like you I don't have much room but if I was buying another I would certainly consider going up to the very popular 6 x 4 size. Having said that the HV80 has been big enough for everything I have need to cut.

                  Peter

                  #470313
                  DiogenesII
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                    @diogenesii

                    Jason, sorry to be tiresome, but if you have minute, could you just re-iterate what model you have and what the speeds are?

                    #470373
                    larry phelan 1
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                      @larryphelan1

                      I have a 6×4" model from Chester, which just eats the work, hacksaw has an easy life these days.

                      No use to you, I know, but just for the record.

                      Oven man, I would love to fit a hydraulic down feed, any info on that ?

                      #470377
                      Anthony Knights
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                        @anthonyknights16741

                        Mr Circlip sir. Could you please recommend a brand of hacksaw blade that is actually harder than the material I am trying to cut. All the ones I've bought lately are total crap.

                        #470378
                        Sam Longley 1
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                          @samlongley1

                          Try Tuff saws. They are happy to advise & have informative website

                          #470379
                          Anthony Knights
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                            @anthonyknights16741

                            Hi Jason. I have just looked on line and seen the Fermi model 780. Is this the same one you referred to?

                            #470382
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              I have the 782XL details here, was going to get the 780 but they were doing an offer on the 782XL which meant it was only about £10 more so why not. Looks like I gave slightly the wrong size but I have cut bigger than quoted size with a bit of jiggling about.

                              Edited By JasonB on 09/05/2020 16:05:15

                              #470383
                              not done it yet
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                                @notdoneityet

                                I like the idea (not the price!) of the vertical table. Not sure if my bandsaw (not a Femi) will go completely to the vertical – will have to have a look-see, but I expect I could still make a mod to use it vertically🙂 . I fancy a decent vertical bandsaw…

                                #470385
                                Rod Renshaw
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                                  @rodrenshaw28584

                                  I bought the Aldi one that Dave H refers to above and have been pleased with it. Some reported problems with the vice but mine has been fine. It is small and light enough to move off the bench if it's in the way. It's not as powerful as the 6 X 4 it replaced but it takes up much less space. Mine has a trigger switch, with no hold on feature so I have to stand over it while it is cutting, but for smallish sections that's no problem. It's a bit like a bandsaw version of a cut off saw, and the mechanical layout has some resemblance to an angle grinder. The conversion from hand held to use on the stand is fiddly and awkward but I generally only use it on the stand. .I have bought spare blades from Tuffsaws but, so far, the original blade is still going strong. I would be interested to see details if anyone has fitted a hold on switch and/or a down feed adjuster. I would have preferred a Fermi but for £150.00, including post and 3 year warrenty, the Aldi one is fine.

                                  Rod

                                  #470387
                                  Ron Laden
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                                    @ronladen17547

                                    I have the Femi SN105, small but 105mm capacity which is great for a small saw.

                                    They are not the cheapest out there but the quality is excellent.

                                    #470403
                                    Howard Lewis
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                                      @howardlewis46836

                                      My bandsaw,,an old Warco 4.5" is too big for your space. After some fettling it is now a decent machine for its job.

                                      If you want one for the future.

                                      My experience with two samples of a small bandsaw, (chosen for just the reasons Jason mentioned ) were not good.

                                      Maybe, I was unlucky.

                                      If you want blades for a hacksaw, you could do worse than Eclipse, (if still available ) or Sandvik.

                                      Howard

                                      #470527
                                      Anthony Knights
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                                        @anthonyknights16741

                                        Well, I've jumped in and ordered a Fermi 780 bandsaw which will hopefully be delivered on the 20th of this month.

                                        I have hacksaw blades marked "Sandvik", (as recommended above) but they could well be counterfeight, because after cutting a couple of pieces of 8mm MS bar they are knackered.

                                        #470538
                                        Circlip
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                                          @circlip

                                          Think Howard and I have the last "Eclipse" brand blades left. Recently cut some 38mm sq. with the bar resting on the garden wall without a vice, by cutting 3mm deep and rotating bar to ensure square cut. Do same with round bar.

                                          Sorry, things have deteriorated since the introduction of Bi-metal blades. Many years ago, helped to section parts of a DH Goblin using a Phillips Junior but even those are now garbage.

                                          Regards Ian.

                                          #470543
                                          IanT
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                                            @iant
                                            Posted by Rod Renshaw on 09/05/2020 16:34:23:

                                            I bought the Aldi one that Dave H refers to above and have been pleased with it. Some reported problems with the vice but mine has been fine. It is small and light enough to move off the bench if it's in the way. It's not as powerful as the 6 X 4 it replaced but it takes up much less space. Mine has a trigger switch, with no hold on feature so I have to stand over it while it is cutting, but for smallish sections that's no problem. It's a bit like a bandsaw version of a cut off saw, and the mechanical layout has some resemblance to an angle grinder. The conversion from hand held to use on the stand is fiddly and awkward but I generally only use it on the stand. .I have bought spare blades from Tuffsaws but, so far, the original blade is still going strong. I would be interested to see details if anyone has fitted a hold on switch and/or a down feed adjuster. I would have preferred a Fermi but for £150.00, including post and 3 year warrenty, the Aldi one is fine.

                                            Rod

                                            I have the Aldi too and I am also happy with the actual saw. Less happy with the vice but I will probably change it.

                                            It is a faff to put it back on the stand whilst holding the saw and trying to get the three screws back in. Since I have made a vertical stand, I need a better/quicker way to do this. Vertical mode is really needed for smaller parts as even with a better vice they would be hard (dangerous!) to hold securely.

                                            I'm still using the original blade but as I am already a happy customer of Tuff Saws (for my woodworking bandsaw) I am prompted to order a spare blade or two for the Aldi – most likely with a higher TPI for thinner section in vertical mode. For larger lumps, I still use the McMaster power hacksaw – it's slow but steady and feels a bit safer.

                                            At £150 the Aldi was good value and as it doesn't get used day in & day out – hopefully will last me.

                                            Regards,

                                            IanT

                                            #470600
                                            Oven Man
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                                              @ovenman
                                              img_2411.jpgimg_2410.jpgPosted by larry phelan 1 on 09/05/2020 14:32:13:

                                              I have a 6×4" model from Chester, which just eats the work, hacksaw has an easy life these days.

                                              No use to you, I know, but just for the record.

                                              Oven man, I would love to fit a hydraulic down feed, any info on that ?

                                              Hello Larry. Here are some pictures of the hydraulic downfeed fitted to the Chester HV80. The cylinder and piston bit is based on the design by Mike Cox with the top and bottom bits custom made to suit the HV80. Nothing is square or vertical so the rod end joints work well. Mikes design was for a 4 x 6 model so you could use that without any major modification. You can find all the the details on Mikes Workimg_2412.jpgshop website.

                                              Hope this helps

                                              Peter

                                              #470665
                                              Anthony Knights
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                                                @anthonyknights16741

                                                Apologies to Sandvik are due. I have been in the work shop today and checked the hacksaw. To my shame, I saw that the blades are named "Scandia", which sounds Scandiavian enough if your brain isn't quite in gear. I cannot remember where i bought them, but, should I see them I will not be buying them again.

                                                #471955
                                                Anthony Knights
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                                                  @anthonyknights16741

                                                  I had an Email from Amazon the other day, saying my bandsaw was delayed and would now be delivered on the 26th of the month. I was quite surprised to receive a text from DHL this morning, saying they would be delivering today. About 1 hour later, it arrived.

                                                  fermi.jpg

                                                  As you can see it came with a european plug fitted. I don't have an adapter, so I cut it off and fitted a british 13amp plug to see if it worked. I hope I haven't voided the warrantry.

                                                  The saw looks well made but the user manual is terrrible. It has been written for every EU country and there is quite often just one line of English on a given page. I think some drastic photo copying and editing is called for to produce a useable book which will be considerably thinner. The only thing I can fault the saw on is the 20mm gap between the end of the vice jaws and the blade. It is now set up on the bench and I will be trying it out later.

                                                  #472214
                                                  Anthony Knights
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                                                    @anthonyknights16741

                                                    Made the first cut today with my new toy .Brilliant!. Thank you to all who answered my original query.1st_cut.jpg

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