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  • #847463
    Vic
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      @vic

      As an ex mechanic I’ve never liked the idea of buying an even more complex vehicle than a plain Petrol car. More expensive to buy and service as well. Finally it looks like some are starting to wise up?

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      #847534
      Vic
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        @vic

        Just seen this.

        ”A shocking report has revealed motorists driving hybrid vehicles could face a threefold greater risk of dying in crashes compared to those travelling in petrol-powered cars.”

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        #847539
        not done it yet
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          @notdoneityet

          EREVs are the way to go, IMO, if wanting to incorporate an engine in the vehicle.  Much safer than a PHEV.

          But, with EVs with much better range than the BMW i3 these days, the need for PHEVs (for towing capacity) is fast diminishing.

          Robert will likely disagree, I expect.🙂

          #847595
          Andrew Tinsley
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            @andrewtinsley63637

            Friend of mine tows a big caravan and hence needs a hefty diesel. He has just purchased a 3 litre BMW plug in hybrid, because a simple, large 3 litre plus diesel isn’t available from BMW unless you go plug in hybrid.

            Andrew.

            #847625
            Robert Atkinson 2
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              @robertatkinson2

              It’s horses for courses. I chose a used PHEV 6 years ago because:
              I sometime do long, >350 miles, journeys without a capability to recharge at the destination.
              I need a larger vehicle.
              I can’t charge an EV at home.
              I wanted better fuel economy but not a diesel (I’m not anti diesel, I had a diesel Astra in 1983. In those days diesel cars were so rare they wouldn’t turn the pump on for you).
              My work commute is within the EV range and I can charge for free at work.
              I had a strong preference for an all wheel drive capability. I do use the vehicle off road a few times a year. Dual motor EV’s / PHEV’s provide AWD at no additional weight or transmission losses unlike ICE vehicles.

              Note that public chargers generally and non-Tesla fast chargers in particular were not anywhere near as common 6 years ago as they are now.

              I was very careful about the exact car I bought even after deciding on the model. It was one previous owner, low mileage, was a 2016 model year but registered in 2015 just a month before the zero road tax incentive ended. I will have to pay £10 tax next year but still a lot less than if it had been registered a month later. It also had all the options I wanted and none I didn’t like adaptive cruise control.
              The only non routine maintenence issues I’ve had are a cooling system issue (on the electric system coolant circuit and a known issue) and I replaced the rear brake disks due to rust pitting. An easy DIY job. Almost certainly caused by using the manually operated dynamic braking too much. I now ensure I have a decent friction brake application every trip. Overall servicing cost is about the same as SWMBO’s focus.

              I’m not “anti” any particular mode of transit* but some will suit a given situation more than others.

              Dispite what the linked pundits say (Pulsar have no agenda – not) You CAN drive a PHEV as zero a

              tailpipe emissions and they are not automatically heavier than an EV. Ceratinly not han an EV with the same range.

              Robert.

              * I do avoid helicopters unless required for work, it’s the only available mode of transport or I’m being medivac’d.

              #847708
              Nigel Graham 2
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                @nigelgraham2

                Hmmmm,. I wonder what the DoT statistics really say or suggest about hybrid cars.

                The list of headings on the screen-shot Vic shows, suggest the “shocking report” made “from” those, is a version created in some glossy “lifestyle” magazine or blog by and for people who’d not know which end of a spanner is which, or a watt from a joule.

                #847751
                Dave Halford
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                  @davehalford22513
                  On not done it yet Said:

                  EREVs are the way to go, IMO, if wanting to incorporate an engine in the vehicle.  Much safer than a PHEV.

                  But, with EVs with much better range than the BMW i3 these days, the need for PHEVs (for towing capacity) is fast diminishing.

                  Robert will likely disagree, I expect.🙂

                  Most EV towing capacity is limited to the sort of trailer you get in Halfords 750KG max.

                  #847772
                  not done it yet
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                    @notdoneityet
                    On Dave Halford Said:
                    On not done it yet Said:

                    EREVs are the way to go, IMO, if wanting to incorporate an engine in the vehicle.  Much safer than a PHEV.

                    But, with EVs with much better range than the BMW i3 these days, the need for PHEVs (for towing capacity) is fast diminishing.

                    Robert will likely disagree, I expect.🙂

                    Most EV towing capacity is limited to the sort of trailer you get in Halfords 750KG max.

                    Not so.  Many larger EVs will tow rather more than that.  Mine will easily tow double (and a bit) of your suggestion.  My Pogo 106 diesel was limited to 700kg, so nothing special, or different, about smaller EVs.

                    Some can tow the normal 3500kg, but I hope I will never need more towing capacity than l have at present.

                    #847787
                    Dave Halford
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                      @davehalford22513
                      On not done it yet Said:
                      On Dave Halford Said:
                      On not done it yet Said:

                      EREVs are the way to go, IMO, if wanting to incorporate an engine in the vehicle.  Much safer than a PHEV.

                      But, with EVs with much better range than the BMW i3 these days, the need for PHEVs (for towing capacity) is fast diminishing.

                      Robert will likely disagree, I expect.🙂

                      Most EV towing capacity is limited to the sort of trailer you get in Halfords 750KG max.

                      Not so.  Many larger EVs will tow rather more than that.  Mine will easily tow double (and a bit) of your suggestion.  My Pogo 106 diesel was limited to 700kg, so nothing special, or different, about smaller EVs.

                      Some can tow the normal 3500kg, but I hope I will never need more towing capacity than l have at present.

                      Please don’t be vague ‘many’ says nothing as does including vehicles that cannot be driven in the UK.

                      As far as I am aware, based on 1800kg there’s the merc EQC and the bigger motor EQA or an Audi that I hate, both have a comparable tow range of 130 miles.

                      #847874
                      Vic
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                        @vic

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                        #847881
                        Robert Atkinson 2
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                          @robertatkinson2

                          Borderline trolling.

                          #847882
                          Dave Halford
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                            @davehalford22513

                            He’ll have to do better than that Robert.

                            #847892
                            duncan webster 1
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                              @duncanwebster1

                              List of UK available cars with towing capacity over 1te, couple over 2 te

                              https://octopusev.com/ev-hub/best-electric-cars-for-towing

                              #847899
                              Robert Atkinson 2
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                                @robertatkinson2

                                Well the first one on that list, the KIA EV9 has mixed claims made: Four wheel Drive and Up to 349 miles range. The offical range of 349 miles is for the single motor (2WD) model. The 4WD version WLTP is 315. Neither is towing of course. More likely to <120 miles when towing. All of the “headline” features give the best WLTP for the model shown not the most powerful. You’d think a piece about towing with EV’s would give towing range. It just says it will be less and plan to use their chargers.

                                Robert.

                                #847977
                                Dave Halford
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                                  @davehalford22513

                                  Even the Octopus site lists the Polestar max ever calculated range and then drops it to 285 on the polestar page. So everyone is spinning as hard as a politician.

                                  #848015
                                  duncan webster 1
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                                    @duncanwebster1

                                    Difficult to give a towing range, if you’re towing a tiddly 4cwt trailer it will go a lot further than towing 2te

                                    #848016
                                    duncan webster 1
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                                      @duncanwebster1

                                      And has anyone ever managed to get the manufacturer’s quoted mpg on an IC engine car. Spinning is endemic in advertising any product, and don’t let’s mention politicians..

                                      #848031
                                      Robert Atkinson 2
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                                        @robertatkinson2

                                        A towing range at the maximum authorised towed mass would be very informative. Not much point in being able to tow a 2200kg caravan (Kia EV9) if you can’t do more than 100 miles per charge.

                                        #848035
                                        Nealeb
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                                          @nealeb

                                          I’m not sure that it is spinning – if you use the figures as they are always labelled. More-or-less clearly, perhaps, but I have always taken these as “artificial” numbers obtained under carefully controlled and specified conditions. “Real world” fuel consumption figures, as often called for, are for most practical purposes useless for any kind of comparison. Which driver/driving style/road type/weather conditions/bunch of other uncontrolled variables come into play. Interesting but fundamentally pretty useless for anyone other than the person who obtained them. Back in my commuting days when I did a very regular journey (by motorbike, admittedly, but I think the argument holds) I could see a seasonal variation in fuel consumption when I applied an averaging algorithm of about 5% or so. But tank-to-tank values could vary by 10% or more. Pointless using any of those figures, and the variation could have been more if someone more interested in performance than economy had been riding. But the standardised test conditions give numbers that are at least potentially useful for car-to-car comparison, which is what they are intended for.

                                          My previous diesel could vary easily from less than 35mpg to 45+mpg entirely depending on journey type. Which one is “real world” and which should be published as the car’s fuel consumption?

                                          I have to admit to being disappointed by how far from the published WLTP range figures my current EV is managing, but again a lot of short in-town journeys, good from an energy recuperation point of view, mean that the start-up car heating has a disproportionate effect. When it comes to energy consumption (fossil or electrons) I think that the mantra is “your real world may vary”!

                                          Plug-in hybrids are a particularly extreme version of this – short journeys entirely battery-powered are going to give very different answers to long journeys at higher speeds where the ICE is the major player.

                                          #848040
                                          Mark Rand
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                                            @markrand96270
                                            On duncan webster 1 Said:

                                            And has anyone ever managed to get the manufacturer’s quoted mpg on an IC engine car. Spinning is endemic in advertising any product, and don’t let’s mention politicians..

                                            On a couple of trips from Rugby to Wolverhampton and back for work, I averaged 80mpg for my 1.5l Diesel Dacia. I wasn’t in a hurry and was tailgating artics on the motorway and doing 50mph through the roadworks just to see what was possible.

                                             

                                            Only tend to get 46mpg around town with SWMBO driving it. 🙁

                                             

                                            The next vehicle, if we get one, will be PHEV if they’re still available or full electric. Both of which we can run for 6-8 months of the year from surplus solar power.

                                            In the meantime, the Diesel Dacia at zero road tax and only 60,000 after 10 years may probably out live us!

                                            #848043
                                            mike barrett 1
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                                              @mikebarrett1

                                              very happy PHEV owner, on our 3rd Golf GTE. This one does about 60 miles in the summer about 40 in the winter (heater is a real drain) and is great fun to drive. Yes it is more complex than a pure EV but I do like the combined turbo engine and electric motor, very quick and makes the correct IC noise!
                                              BTW All our local journeys are on battery and we charge over night on cheap electricity or during the day if its sunny. Works for us.

                                              If you tow a caravan are there any places to charge the car without dropping off the caravan?

                                              #848044
                                              Dell
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                                                @dell

                                                I have a Lexus LBX non plug in hybrid & I get late 60’s mpg in the summer & early 60’s mpg in the winter, I can start the car from indoors very handy to warm the car & defrost it as ideal for me in my 70’s not that I go out much in the winter if I can help it, don’t tow a caravan any more been there done that & towed all over Europe.

                                                Also even if I wanted an EV ( I don’t) I could not because I would have to run a cable over the pavement ( trip hazard) although I still want to do my bit hence the NON plugin hybrid.

                                                #848045
                                                Vic
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                                                  @vic
                                                  On Robert Atkinson 2 Said:

                                                  Borderline trolling.

                                                  It’s called a joke Robert. 🤣 I’m not surprised you didn’t get it.

                                                  #848046
                                                  Vic
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                                                    @vic
                                                    On Dell Said:

                                                    I have a Lexus LBX non plug in hybrid.

                                                    I saw one of these some time ago in bright yellow, stunning looking car and the interior looks good as well.

                                                    #848047
                                                    Vic
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                                                      @vic
                                                      On duncan webster 1 Said:

                                                      And has anyone ever managed to get the manufacturer’s quoted mpg on an IC engine car. Spinning is endemic in advertising any product, and don’t let’s mention politicians..

                                                      Yes. The quoted mpg for my car on the website Honest John is also what I get on a daily basis and according to the website is what the manufacturers quote.

                                                      i guess they didn’t tape up the seams and pump the tyres up to 90 psi etc like some German car manufacturers do when they did the “test”. 😅

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