I have bought a new Lathe!!

I have bought a new Lathe!!

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  • #840082
    dixiethedog
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      @dixiethedog

      I recently sold my old old Boxford CUD purely as with its metal stand it was taking up too much space. I felt that a bench mounted lathe with floor space underneath would be a better bet for me.

      So, prior to joing this site, I had spotted a pre order ELS (electronic lead screw) lathe on the Warco site. Pre order was a touch over £2K with I think a 10% discount over the “in stock” costs. I hesitated and when I went back on the Warco site the lathe was up at nearly £2.3K. I then went back to the drawing board and kept my eyes open for a decent used lathe locally. And nothing seemed to be available.

      Moving on, and joining this forum, I had a couple or so of really nice message from Luke at Amadeal, who told me about their range. And they have stuff that I would have bought, but at the weekend Warco did a great discount 2 day deal so I went with them. The thing that swung it for me was the Warco lathe came with a DRO and the Amadeal one did not. As simple as that. But now I have Luke on my radar which could be handy for future buys.

      Tim, the MD of Warco, Bev from the sales dept. and Rob from the despatch dept have all been 1st class in their service. As was Luke from Amadeal too be fair.

      So, I have bought the D210EL with a DRO.

      If anybody on here has one I would love to hear your thoughts and comments. I could be the first person on here to have one , with it being a new model?

      My “workshop” is like a bombsite, I have no space and the lathe is being delivered on Thursday!! Time for a tidy up.

      For your enjoyment here is a link;

      https://www.warco.co.uk/home/303788-wm210dro.html

      #840084
      dixiethedog
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        @dixiethedog

        For the next month or two I will have to struggle along with supermarket own brands sh*te. No nice choccy biscuits or proper coffee for me until my bank balance does something. Hopefully it will move upwards as at the moment it is at rock bottom! But it is worth it long term to have for once a nice new piece of equipment!

        #840089
        Thor 🇳🇴
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          @thor

          Congratulations, let us know your experience with your new lathe.

          Thor

          #840090
          Bazyle
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            @bazyle

            I have bought a few things from Warco and without checking perhaps over a period of 30 years. I have always been most impressed by the helpful delivery man. I wonder if he remembered that he was coming back to a place he had been before.

            And thanks for providing the link – so often people mention a specific item and then my curiosity sends me off to google.

            #840334
            dixiethedog
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              @dixiethedog

              The lathe arrived safely yesterday. I have taken the lid off the wooden box to have a look, but I have not done anything else just yet. A friend promised me a nice steel workbench (open underneath space for my compressor), and 3 months down the line it is still not here. I am going to go to the wood yard in the next day or so and buy some timer to build a strong bench/table top to sit (and bolt down too) the lathe.

              It should be up and running early next week!

              #840343
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                Timber? Implies traditional legs and framework. There been quite a few bench building threads on here over the years if you can find them. I suggest looking at the style of a modern kitchen unit but using ply instead of chipboard as the flat sheets provide the essential torsional stiffness so lacking in open frames and the supporting area of a sheet wall ends up more than 2×4 legs.

                #840693
                old mart
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                  @oldmart

                  A strong top for a wooden bench can be made from a sheet of 19mm ply bought from a place which cuts it FOC to your size. Two thicknesses together on 6 x 2 legs well braced made me a great bench which had to be left behind when I sold my bungalow.

                  #840708
                  Hollowpoint
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                    @hollowpoint

                    Nothing wrong with wood. I made some benches for my workshop from, IIRC something like 3×6″. They are held together with coach bolts and coach screws, the tops and sides are 18mm mdf. They are absolutely rock solid!

                    #841378
                    old fool
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                      @old-fool

                      Another top idea is kitchen worktop. Just a thort, don’t drop it on your foot though

                      Bob

                      #841417
                      dixiethedog
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                        @dixiethedog

                        I have had to walk way from this for a few days due to life being in the way.

                        But already having tried to find off cuts of kitchen tops (and full kitchen tops), I discovered a local wood working place that has multiple lengths of 25mm thick ply  pre cut too 2.4 lengths with a width of 450mm. And best of all they are only £8.50 a length. My wooden bench is a few mm’s over 1 metre long and the top is 450 wide, so the ply I think will be ideal. I was going too double it up, but I suspect a 50mm top would be overkill.  But strong.

                        I am off out soon to buy some and then fingers crossed have the bench more or less finished today or tomorrow.

                        #841422
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle

                          Beware MDF and chipboard have no bending strength so not good as a top without a lot of support and will decompose if soaked in coolant. However if you are not slopping the liquid around a sheet of laminated chipboard can go over the ply top to resist the oil.

                          #841424
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            As the lathe comes with a decent metal tray there is no real need for a laminate over the ply. Just a bit of sealant around the mounting holes when you place the lathe on the tray will keep brush applied coolant in the tray even when you knock over the contailer.

                            I remember all the posts of doom and gloom when I posted photos of my CNC mill on it’s new wood frame with MDF top. Funny I’ve not heard comments in the seven years since that all that has been produced on it is sub standard due to the poor stand 😂😂😂😂

                            #841590
                            dixiethedog
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                              @dixiethedog

                              I am sometimes the type of person that will use whatever is available or at hand, even MDF but this time I am going for the 25mm thick ply. I never made it too the wood yard today due to unexpected business but I will try tomorrow. I am a fan of MDF though as it does come in handy for certain jobs in the workshop.

                              #841931
                              dixiethedog
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                                @dixiethedog

                                Well, plywood bought, bench made and painted a nice shade of grey. 😊

                                I called in the help of a strong neighbour to manually lift the lathe up and into position, and then stood back to look at it. I am a bit disheartened at the moment, as a couple of bits and pieces are not as good as my old Boxford. But let me explain. In the accessory package I had a 3 jaw, 4 jaw chuck, travelling steadies, a 2mt dead centre, various chinesium tools but no drill chuck. But I have a large 5mt dead centre. I thought maybe a mistake had been made and the large dead centre should be for a much bigger machine and the drill chuck has accidentally been left out. But no, even though the machines (full price) is nearly (a fiver off) £2.3k you don’t get what I expect should be included, a drill chuck. Next up, I am sure that we have proper names for these (lol), the tool holder has no height adjustment. On my Boxford you turned a dial/knob to raise or lower the tool post to the correct height settings. This made it quick and simple too use. I hold my hands up to say that I have only ever used a Boxford and have zero experience with other lathes, but as I type I am a bit gutted that I need to buy more parts just so that I can do simple (drilling) operations etc.

                                So I am now going to have too buy some more parts. Had I read the machine listing on the Warco site I would have spotted the lack of the drill chuck and been prepared, so that is my fault, but wouldn’t you think for this amount of money that you should be able too plug it in and play?

                                Anyway, once I have an adjustable tool holder thing and a drill chuck I will report back. But as I have mentioned above  I am a bit gutted.

                                #841936
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  Drill chucks tend to come as part of the package with hobby mills but not hobby lathes so you were expecting something tat wa sunlikely to happen.

                                  The same with tool posts, even as originally supplied your Boxford would have come with a 4-way or less toolpost not an QCTP with height adjustment.

                                  As supplied there is nothing to stop you using it for turning and facing, many are happy to shim up their tools. As I did when testing the similar Amadeal offering.

                                  #841947
                                  Bazyle
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                                    @bazyle

                                    I hadn’t noticed before in the spec sheet that the spindle was MT5 and 38mm bore. That’s big for a 9in lathe that is the equivalent size to the Boxford. I suspect it is driven by the USA market aiming at a small ‘gunsmith’s ‘ lathe.
                                    If you look at import lathes for the last 20 years they never have included a drill chuck which would get a hundred times more use than the steadies but I think it is because the latter are very lathe specific while the chuck is a universal item. Furthermore if they did supply one then a whole bunch of people would complain that it was too big and the rest that it was too small. You might think about your needs and get two rather than a middle size compromise.

                                    #842191
                                    Dave Halford
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                                      @davehalford22513

                                      Yeah the steady is utterly useless, right up until you need to machine something  long that won’t go through the chuck.

                                      #842194
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        I had a look at what you got with a new Boxford and it was actually a lot less than what comes with the Warco.

                                        No 3 or 4 jaw chucks, No Steadies, just a basic single tool clamp and a solid ctr to fit each end. And some did not even come with a motor.

                                        Given that if the Boxford were available today it would likely be £10-12K plus so expecting to get a 3-jaws chuck in with the Warco was probably just wishful thinking.

                                        This from the ME10

                                        me10

                                        #845879
                                        Robert Copeland
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                                          @robertcopeland26256

                                          Hi, I also looked at the Warco D210E and put my order in at the pre release price. I have had my new D210E for a couple of months now and what a change. I had been using a WM180 for about 14 years and generally avoided cutting threads on it as it was so time consuming to set up. All that has now changed with the D210E as any thread set up is just a few button presses away. Being in my late 70’s I am looking to make things easier for myself so the auto turning facility is also very welcome. I particularly like the fact that I can alter the leadscrew feed on the fly, allowing me to change from roughing to finishing without stopping. The extra Swing of 210mm has also come in handy as I could not fit the flywheel casting of my current project in the WM180. Overall I am very pleased with the quality of the machine.

                                          #845900
                                          Dave Wootton
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                                            @davewootton

                                            They look to be a very useful machine, some of those features look extremely desirable, how I would have loved to be able to cut almost any thread TPI at the touch of a dial when I was working. I always seemed to be up to my armpits in oily changewheels!, even on QC gearbox machines.
                                            Most lathes you bought at one time came with only the most basic equipment, I worked for a machine tool firm for a while and Colchesters and the like came with only a minimum of equipment, no chucks or steadies these all had to be purchased as extras. I seem to recall that Myfords came with a set of changewheels, centres, faceplate and drive plate, toolpost clamp and a oilgun. no motor. Warco were one of the companies to start including full equipment with their machines, they sold a direct copy of the Super 7 at one time (and very good they were too) which came with chucks, steadies, 4 way toolpost, motor and a vertical slide. We supplied a number direct from Warco to a small manufacturing company and they gave many years service. Fortunately the idea seems to have caught on and most machines do come with fitted motors and at least a 3 jaw to get you going. More than one customer at the time bought a machine and was horrified they had to pay extra for an electric motor!

                                            #846538
                                            Howard Lewis
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                                              @howardlewis46836

                                              Oriental lathes tend to come fully equipped.

                                              Befire retiring, I looked at a fully equipped MYford 7; nearly £8k with all the goodies!

                                              I bought a larger, fully equipped, Taiwanese lathe with UK fitted and set up, VFD, delivered and installed, for a quarter of the price.

                                              SAD, I would have preferred the Myford, (To support home industries) but the cost differential was far too great, and the lathe has served me well for over 20 years, so I can’t complain.

                                              Compared to the price of the lathe, a drill chuck, is comparatively cheap; and we do tend to accumulate such things! (There are at least four on the shelf above my lathe, covering from 10 mm to 17 mm maximum).

                                              #846927
                                              dixiethedog
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                                                @dixiethedog

                                                Thank you Gentleman for your above replies and comments.

                                                 

                                                My last month or two have been let me say filled with unexpected challenges and as such I have not even looked at my lathe. But now I am going to get things started up with new projects so need to put my hand in my pocket and buy some bits and pieces for the lathe.

                                                My basic shopping list is some thread cutting tools, a set of new tool holders, a set of drill index and reduced shank drills.

                                                But I have a question?? I was watching a Youtube video by a chap (John) Doubleboost. He says it as it is. If he does not like things he says that they are “sh*te”. He has review videos for some Banggood lathe tools that appear to be a lot cheaper than the ones supplied by the regular UK “shops”.

                                                Would this quick change tool post set up work on my lathe??

                                                One of the reviews mentions that the reviewer has them fitted to a WM210V, which I presume must be the same dimensions as my machine?

                                                https://uk.banggood.com/Drillpro-6Pcs-or-Set-250-000-Cuniform-GIB-Type-Quick-Change-Tool-Post-Tool-Holder-for-Lathe-Tools-p-1892554.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search

                                                #846928
                                                JasonB
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                                                  @jasonb

                                                  This is the downside and risk you take with buying from that sort of site. UK suppliers are likely to give a lot more dimensional information so you can work out it it will fit a specific lathe. And they are all easy to contact and ask. Also if the item did turn out not to fit it is a lot less hassle to return for a refund or different item.

                                                  #846934
                                                  Journeyman
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                                                    @journeyman

                                                    On the subject of QCTP might I suggest that you don’t buy a set, as per the above link, but rather buy just the toolpost and a few of the basic tool holders. My experience was that the fancy tool holders have little use.

                                                    You may find fitting QCTP on my website of interest (or otherwise). This is for a WM250 so similar to yours.

                                                    John

                                                    #846937
                                                    Andy Stopford
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                                                      @andystopford50521

                                                      I presume the “250” tells you something about the size of these (I seem to remember ARC had “300”s as well). If so, it might be too small for you – I have the 250 system for my lathe, which is smaller than yours (a Warco WM180), and they’re about right for that, bearing in mind I made a packer to go underneath the toolpost to clear the spigot on the top of the top slide. A size up would probably be better, but I already had the 250.

                                                      That said, I find them very satisfactory. As John says, don’t buy the set – the knurling tool is completely useless (The parting tool is good, but I mostly use an insert blade which fits the standard holders).

                                                       

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