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    Eric Moffat 1
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      @ericmoffat1

      G'day I have built a 'V' twin engine and it runs perfectly on 10 psi of air, but it will not run at all satisfactorily on steam up to 30psi. I was most surprised as I assumed if it ran on air then it will run in steam.

      I am obviously mistaken, can anyone advise me how to find the error? I was about to say "I have tried everything" but of course I haven't or the blasted thing would be running.

      All advice will be thankfully received.

      Eric

      #6463
      Eric Moffat 1
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        @ericmoffat1

        won’t run

        #105033
        Sub Mandrel
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          @submandrel

          What are the symptoms Eric? Don't forget that steam will rapidly turn to water in the pipes which you have to pump through before it will run. Also, on steam it gets a lot hotter, different metals expand by different amounts and you will need to adjust the springs. Finally, the pistons maybe expanding in the cylinders and jamming.

          Neil

          #105102
          Robin teslar
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            @robinteslar

            Any pix Eric?

            #105391
            Eric Moffat 1
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              @ericmoffat1

              Thanks Neil, I will check the things you suggest and see what transpires.

              On steam, it has been running for a few seconds & stops, flick the flywheel and starts again, but repeating the same action. On air, runs forwards, backwards, fast, slow, in short, all the designed actions, so there cannot be too much wrong with it.

              Robin, I will try to send a photo, my computor skills are even worse than my engine building so it may take a few tries!

              Eric

              #105395
              Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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                @jenseirikskogstad1

                Can be caused by cold cylinder and the steam is cooled down to water. Let it warm up to the cylinder/piston is hot enough to run. And do you have the lubricator connected between steam boiler and steam engine? The new steam engine need time under running-in period and fit between moving parts in right size.

                #105408
                MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                  @michaelwilliams41215

                  Hi Eric ,

                  The steam entering your cylinders is not actually much better than kettle steam and whatever the boiler pressure the pressure in the cylinders will be much less running on no load . This means that the steam is very wet and there is a large amount of water going – maybe 30 % of the total steam flow is water and even more after some condensation .

                  This very wet steam is very different in its properties to air . In particular the water part of the wet steam can condense out into actual slugs of water (its mist otherwise) .

                  One of the most common causes of engines running on air but not steam is hydraulic lock . Its very easy for one of these slugs of water to get trapped between piston and cylinder head and being nearly incompressible it stops the engine . Usually actually caused by ports being out of place either by design or as made .

                  Two possible conditions for ports being out of place :

                  (1) Too big a dead zone between inlet and exhaust ports – neither is open .

                  (2) Port in cylinder too far away from cylinder head leaving a trap .

                  Thermal expansion of piston in cylinder has a near zero probability of being the cause of problems .

                  Regards ,

                  Michael Williams .

                  #105421
                  Robin teslar
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                    @robinteslar

                    Sounds like MW is on the right track, why not try a bit of superheat on the steam just before it enters the valve block (blowlamp say)

                    Worth a try?

                    Robin

                    #105736
                    Eric Moffat 1
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                      @ericmoffat1

                      Thank you all very kindly for your informative & constructive advice. I will return to the workbench and begin adjustments and/or renovation.

                      #106119
                      Eric Moffat 1
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                        @ericmoffat1

                        G'day Robin, finally managed to post photo of "V" Twin might look OK on a coffee table!!

                        #106126
                        Robin teslar
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                          @robinteslar

                          Right on Eric, not much bigger than a coffee cup. Looks like it ought to have a much bigger flywheel. Have you tried a bit of blow lamp on the steam pipes?

                          Robin

                          #106298
                          Eric Moffat 1
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                            @ericmoffat1

                            G'day Robin, haven't tried any advice given yet. SWMBO has placed an order for construction of a Christmas present for our 14 month old grand-daughter, therefore important matters must be put aside whilst woodworking matters move to completion. Does not appear as though metal working will re-commence until after the festive season. It has been quite warm here lately (40 degrees C) so working in a tin shed was not inviting!!

                            Eric

                            #106321
                            Robin teslar
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                              @robinteslar

                              Hi EM

                              So you work in a Dunny, matesmiley Kerrriste. I remember 40C after 25 years in the middle east, Now 55C is real mustard (in a desert camp near Riyadh). Frying steaks on the bonnet of your Landcruiser. 3 hours exposure and you are history. Happy days

                              Seasons Turnings

                              Robin

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