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This topic has 73 replies, 36 voices, and was last updated 19 January 2018 at 17:42 by Mick B1.

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15 January 2018 at 18:50 #336873
Tractor man
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@tractorman
Which of the two above calipers is a cake and which is an original?
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15 January 2018 at 18:50 #18812
Tractor man
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@tractorman
15 January 2018 at 18:55 #336876
Steamer1915
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MMMMMmmmmmmmmm, Cake…
15 January 2018 at 18:55 #336877
JasonB
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Fake on the right
15 January 2018 at 18:56 #336878
An Other
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@another21905
If they both do the same job to the required accuracy, who cares?,
15 January 2018 at 19:01 #336879
jimmy b
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@jimmyb
Just had to go and look at my new one!

Fake on right.

Jim
15 January 2018 at 19:02 #336880
jimmy b
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Posted by An Other on 15/01/2018 18:56:54:

If they both do the same job to the required accuracy, who cares?,

Me, if I've paid good money

Jim
15 January 2018 at 19:09 #336882
alan-lloyd
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@alan-lloyd
The one on the left, the jaws are too bulky.
15 January 2018 at 19:10 #336883
Lambton
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Posted by An Other on 15/01/2018 18:56:54:

If they both do the same job to the required accuracy, who cares?,

So do I – fake goods rob us all.

Eric
15 January 2018 at 19:16 #336885
Tractor man
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@tractorman
eBay for one 40 quid. Reputable dealer for tother 57 quid plus vat and postage.

So far we have no clear winner with folk opting for either.

They are both accurate but the fake does not have four digits after the decimal point on the imperial setting.

The fake is amazingly accurate in its detail but the signs are there.

Keep on guessing….

And I did mean fake not cake! C

Bloomington spell chucker!
15 January 2018 at 19:24 #336887
Cornish Jack
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@cornishjack
"Which of the two above calipers is a cake"

This was sorted , legally, in a recent High Court decision, I believe.

Leave both exposed to the atmosphere for a number of days. If one becomes hard, that is a cake. If, however, one becomes soft, that is a biscuit. This decision was required to define whether Jaffa Cakes were cakes or biscuits for tax purposes.

rgds

Bill
15 January 2018 at 19:28 #336888
vintagengineer
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@vintagengineer
The one on right is in abetter quality case so must be the real one.
15 January 2018 at 19:30 #336892
jimmy b
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@jimmyb
The left is a genuine one. I've had to go for another look in the shed……..

Jim
15 January 2018 at 19:30 #336893
Cabinet Enforcer
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@cabinetenforcer
The left one has the latest revision battery cover, the right one has the slightly recessed one of an older model, but the new AOS logo, so I would say the right one is fake. Also hard to tell from photo, but the screen looks a shade darker than I would expect.
15 January 2018 at 19:50 #336897
David Standing 1
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@davidstanding1
Fake on the right. The curved green line that goes from the end of the scale to to above the 'Absolute' logo is too thick.
15 January 2018 at 19:56 #336898
Mick B1
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@mickb1
I think the fake's on the right because the battery cover looks a little sunken, like a cheap moulding.

It'd be interesting to know if an accuracy/repeatability test would find any significant difference between them.

I've found a cheap Aldi Workzone caliper is good enough for about 80+% of what I do, a M&W Value Line is OK for most of the rest, and I've needed my Mitutoyo tenths mic about twice in the last year.
15 January 2018 at 20:03 #336899
nigel jones 5
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Posted by Mick B1 on 15/01/2018 19:56:02:

I think the fake's on the right because the battery cover looks a little sunken, like a cheap moulding.

It'd be interesting to know if an accuracy/repeatability test would find any significant difference between them.

You need an ANOVA gauge R & R test to determint repeatability – how I dont miss doing those!
15 January 2018 at 20:06 #336900
Richard S2
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@richards2
No idea, but nice to see what a new one looks like and informs others of the differences to look for.

My Mitutoyo Digimatic is over 30 years old and still good!.

Wonder if the fake would last as long?.
15 January 2018 at 20:06 #336901
nigel jones 5
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@nigeljones5
One on left – thumb grab is not ergonomic compared to one on right?
15 January 2018 at 20:19 #336906
Tractor man
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@tractorman
I will take better photos in daylight as there are still some getting it wrong.
The one on the LEFT IS GENUINE. The one on the right is all wrong. The video.on YouTube detailing some of the errors is now out of date as the fakers watched it too and pulled their socks up.
The digital display changes of it’s own accord when laid on the bench so I think it will end up in the bin.
Lesson learned.
15 January 2018 at 20:21 #336907
Martin 100
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@martin100
Fake on the right, battery cover is 'wrong'

Having said that the IP67 rated silver coloured Mitutoyo calipers have in the past year or so changed the battery cover design from a posidriv screwdriver job on the rear to using a 2p piece on the front

Concerning Mitutoyo stuff, Is anything other than this particular caliper being faked? (and sold on ebay)
15 January 2018 at 20:51 #336908
Chris Evans 6
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@chrisevans6
Plus one for the Aldi workzone doing 80% of my work to. At £8 each I have several, one is butchered to serve as a lathe tailstock readout and works very well. The others are around various parts of the workshop when I can find them! Anything requiring greater accuracy I get the micrometers/bore gauges etc out. I gave my Mitutoyo away, it was an old one with a small display and the old eyes struggled with it.
15 January 2018 at 21:32 #336912
blowlamp
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@blowlamp
These things are getting better and better. What's going to happen when they start to exceed the quality of the product they are copying?

Just reading something similar here about Rolex watches.

Martin.
15 January 2018 at 22:22 #336918
vintagengineer
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@vintagengineer
When you send your Rolex in for a service you are warned that if it's fake or stolen you won't get it back. My local Rolex agent always check the serial number with Rolex before buying secondhand ones!
15 January 2018 at 22:31 #336920
Vic
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@vic
My cheap calliper packed up a while back, it was only about five years old. My very much older Mitutoyo is still working fine. I’m now wondering if I should spend a bit more than £10 for a reliable calliper that doesn’t eat batteries for the Workshop.
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