Why does everyone disagree with you

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Re my previous post, I've since read Stevie's post on second-hand cars, which got bashed. Got to agree he has a point on that one! Lot's of value in what Stevie said, and he got duffed up!

Dave

[Anonymous]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 27/01/2020 10:27:31:

Hmm, having read the above I not sure if I'm a goodie or baddy.

Well, if you're a baddy I must be off the scale, but I don't care.

Andrew

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Me I find it best to take no notice as long as it's not personal !

H

[Nick WheelerParticipant @nickwheeler]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 27/01/2020 11:03:56:

Re my previous post, I've since read Stevie's post on second-hand cars, which got bashed. Got to agree he has a point on that one! Lot's of value in what Stevie said, and he got duffed up!

If he had spent a little time editing his post to make it easier to read, that wouldn't have happened. It read like a pub rant where the unknown ranter couldn't remember to breathe; would anyone actually consider that to be worthwhile advice.

 

Tone of forum posts is very difficult to get right.

 

Which is, I think, the OP's point!

Edited By Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 27/01/2020 11:25:23

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

There ARE examples of the OP's views on the forum BUT (as a generality) RARE. … for which, much thanks!

As a self-admitted cantankerous old git, I try to balance that with a justifiable acceptance that I'm a crap engineer. From that perspective, I accept advice offered here as inevitably superior to my own views … end of!

Re. fish and chips, here I come into my own … from a childhood where lack of money (NOT poverty!) meant no shame in asking for the free helpings of batter 'bits' to the over-indulgence of being employed as 'Smokey Joe's' travelling assistant on his Bedford bus mobile chippie. SJ operated from Scorrier (mid Cornwall) and travelled around the local villages, lunch-times and evenings. Small chips 3d, large 6d and fish (always cod) 1/- , newspaper wrapped and cooked (as ALL proper F&C should be!) in dripping! In spite of 'in house' lunches 6 times a week, I never lost my enthusiasm.

There is a danger of the keyboard becoming saliva saturated!

rgds

Bill

[David Davies 8Participant @daviddavies8]

Hi All

Following on from Plasma's post above, if you search Google for the 'Dunning-Kruger Effect' and read same, it may explain why some members mock questions asked by others.

Dave

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

I read this thread with great interest, and found myself agreeing with most points. Just to add my few pennorth, I originally joined this forum a few days after it was set up. It didn't take long for the forum to 'take a negative turn', and it wasn't long before I stopped posting. There were many abusive, unpleasant and unappreciative posts in those early days.

Nonetheless, I stayed as a 'lurker'. Inevitably perhaps, some instances came up when I thought I could help with a query, so I began to post again under an anonymous name. Sadly this didn't stop the 'snotty' posts from people I would have assumed should know better. A notable instance is the software argument – there seems to be a huge number of people who are willing to condemn anything they either don't use themselves, or know anything about. Instead of encouraging the use of new and different tools we could al use, these people find fault all the time, with little evidence of constructive criticism.

I fully agree with the posts about other forums being far more 'user-friendly', to the extent that ME, instead of being one of the first of my 'go to' forums, has become virtually the last place I go – I still read it, but often only to have a laugh at the unhelpful responses. When I dared to comment on this, I was told that if I didn't like, it, I didn't have to read the posts – not really an encouragement to use the forum, would you say?. I wish this was not the case, because I always valued the print version of ME.

[larry phelan 1Participant @larryphelan1]

You get used to it, after a while.

I no longer get upset when my posts don't show up.

As someone said, just pick out the bits you find useful and ignore the rest.

Life is too short to bother about it.

[JAParticipant @ja]

I feel that this forum is a bit like the Wild West: There are few rules, almost anything goes, sometimes it is wise to keep your head down and you may get shot at. An awful lot of members have hidden pasts (the majority do not have a public profile).

Steveiegtr – A comment, I see that a lot of your posts are made in the late evening. I have found from experience that this is unwise.

JA

Edited By JA on 27/01/2020 12:38:25

[Guy LambParticipant @guylamb68056]

Posted by Harry Wilkes on 27/01/2020 11:14:05:

Me I find it best to take no notice as long as it's not personal !

H

It's interesting to hear people talk about their experiences and perceived reactions to some of their postings on this site.

Perhaps because we are communicating via text and not face to face some nuances are misunderstood.

I agree with Harry in so much as if responses do not become personal then no harm is inferred.

There may be on occasions people enjoying a sense of 'one upmanship' but this says more about the respondent than the questioner in my opinion.

Guy

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Andrew Johnston on 27/01/2020 11:06:45:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 27/01/2020 10:27:31:

Hmm, having read the above I not sure if I'm a goodie or baddy.

Well, if you're a baddy I must be off the scale, but I don't care.

Andrew

I've had a PM confirming I'm a baddy… Probably best not to risk an Opinion Poll!

Dave

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

[GeorgineerParticipant @georgineer]

Steve,

The only threads of yours I've read are Vernier Calipers and Only for Myford Lathes..

The caliper thread contains a lot of useful information, a bit of thread drift (as often happens – it's harmless and can be both informative and entertaining), and some ribbing about the fact that digital calipers are not verniers. To my eye – and I've followed the thread since you started it – the ribbing is good natured and not hostile or aggressive.

I have not followed the Myford thread in such detail, but I must say that your own tone comes over at times as pretty combative. To take some extracts from just one of your posts:

Slag me as you will.… Some will knock it as that's what a few members do. But what the hell. I did it…. if anything is not right the chuck will stop. Some will say why…Some say they fitted the linked belting but for the hell of me cannot think why.… People are fitting these things & think they are the best things since sliced bread. What is wrong with people, they are rubbish & temporary belts….

If you trail your coat like that, it's no wonder that people will engage with you. It has been said (by Ken Keyes in his Handbook to Higher Consciousness; I can't claim it for my own) "A loving person lives in a loving world. A hostile person lives in a hostile world. Everyone you meet is your mirror."

Anything with people involved in it will contain some people we would rather not have to deal with. I shrug my shoulders and move on when necessary. Meeting emotion with emotion is not productive (Professor Steve Peters has some valuable things to say about that in his book The Chimp Paradox) so if I need to contradict people I always try to do it courteously and dispassionately.

George B.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by David Davies 8 on 27/01/2020 11:50:30:

Hi All

Following on from Plasma's post above, if you search Google for the 'Dunning-Kruger Effect' and read same, it may explain why some members mock questions asked by others.

Dave

Yes. That was about a guy that painted his face with lemon juice and went to rob a bank thinking the lemon juice would make him invisible.

He believed that because lemon juice was is used in invisible ink.

When arrested and shown photos of himself committing the robbery, he insisted the photos had been faked.

Seems like a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

[GeorgineerParticipant @georgineer]

Posted by blowlamp on 27/01/2020 13:40:53:

Posted by David Davies 8 on 27/01/2020 11:50:30:

Hi All

Following on from Plasma's post above, if you search Google for the 'Dunning-Kruger Effect' and read same, it may explain why some members mock questions asked by others.

Dave

Yes. That was about a guy that painted his face with lemon juice and went to rob a bank thinking the lemon juice would make him invisible.

He believed that because lemon juice was is used in invisible ink.

When arrested and shown photos of himself committing the robbery, he insisted the photos had been faked.

Seems like a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Perhaps he would have been more successful if he had used the Schartz-Metterklume method. It always works for me.

George B.

[Swarf, Mostly!Participant @swarfmostly]

Hi there, all,

This has been an interesting thread so far. I do try to live and let live (honestly, I really do) but there are two things here that make me cringe.

The first is the confusion between arbor and arbour. An arbour is a clump of bushes with a garden seat in its middle.

The second is when posters mishandle quotes so that the quotation bar covers their own text as well as the text they are quoting. (The solution is in the right arrow key.)

These things crop up frequently but I try to refrain from posting about them.

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:38:26

Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:39:02

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:35:50:

Hi there, all,

This has been an interesting thread so far. I do try to live and let live (honestly, I really do) but there are two things here that make me cringe.

The first is the confusion between arbor and arbour. An arbour is a clump of bushes with a garden seat in its middle.

The second is when posters mishandle quotes so that the quotation bar covers their own text as well as the text they are quoting. (The solution is in the right arrow key.)

These things crop up frequently but I try to refrain from posting about them.

Best regards,

Swarf, Mostly!

Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:38:26

Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:39:02

Ha Ha looks like i'm not going to Oxford to study English & spelling lessons.

Steve.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

At least in here it's pretty civilised

The BBC site is like ferrets in a sack most of the time and with thousands and thousands of posts each day

Never done Facebook but I can take a wild guess

Played "world of tanks" for a few months last year and ceased all chat/keyboard communications with other players within 2 hours of starting, the way they spoke to each other was brutal and shocking

Edited By Ady1 on 27/01/2020 14:48:18

[Andrew TinsleyParticipant @andrewtinsley63637]

I usually find most people to be helpful and polite. There is a small minority who do annoy me, one in particular seems to have a degree or two in supercilious comment. For some reason he hasn't joined in this thread!

Andrew.

[speelwerkParticipant @speelwerk]

Posted by Swarf, Mostly! on 27/01/2020 14:35:50:

The first is the confusion between arbor and arbour. An arbour is a clump of bushes with a garden seat in its middle.

For me English is not my first language, I do check several times my writing before posting but mistakes are easily made. As long as we remember that we al like working with our hands then (or is it than?) for me it is no problem. Niko.

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

I don't get it right every time!!!

BUT

• I accept any information from someone else who has direct experience should be respected – but there may be another way as well
• Any information from someone else with allied, but not exactly analogous experience may be of interest.
• Comments that say 'it can't be done' or 'do it this way or you are wrong' should be treated with caution.
• Contradicting someone from your experience is OK but knocking them isn't
• Thread drift can often be interesting and fun

And finally anyone who hasn't exactly the same sense of humour as me should be taken out and shot now (That was another joke, by the way!)

[David GWParticipant @davidgw13951]

It’s much the same on any established forum, challenge any traditional method on the basis of accepted physics & logic and you’ll have half the forum on your back because their Dad’s Dad’s Dad did it that way and they don’t want you upsetting things. It’s all to easy to assume that because a person is new to a subject they’re new to everything, I’ve done it myself a couple of times when I’ve been the ‘knowledgeable’ one but rejoiced when out-manoeuvred by an upstart thinking outside the box for it is they who drive engineering forward. Pick out the answers you like by all means but rude people who hate everything can be cracking engineers too and may have your answer.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I think the joy of our hobby is that everyone's gear and experience is different. If you are a nervous beginner you might use lowers speeds and feeds that cause you problems a more confident old hand doesn't see. The state of your machines, the quality of your tooling and their age/sharpness,the materials you use, your personal standards for accuracy, surface finish etc.

There are so many variables, questions like 'what's the best machine/way to do this job?' the only certain answer is 'it depends!"

Neil

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Steve

Just accept that everyone on here has their particular field of knowledge, and ignorance.

Problems arise with those who don't know that they dob't know and try to impose their misconceptions on everyone else.

We all have our opinions, with varying degrees of logical and factual justification.

My background is essentially internal combustion engines and vehicles, so my knowledge of electrics and electronics is limited. So, I don't pontificate on how to mend the control board on a mini lathe. (I can just about understand that a triode, or a simple transistor, modulates the current flowing through the device; but not understand in detail how it does it. )

When I see a question or comment from someone who is an obvious newbie, I try to be helpful, based on my knowledge and experience. Sometimes, there is a post from someone who knows, or thinks that they know, better If it is obvious that the logic stream is wrong, or unfounded, I will differ, if only to set the record straight.

There is no point in spending time and effort in trying to educate the bigots. Life is much too short to waste time on them. That probably makes me one!

Rightly or wrongly, we all have different opinions, based on our experiences.

As an ex Myford ML7 owner, I differ from many, in not worshipping at the shrine of Beeston. That is purely my opinion.

There are many others who show their expertise by producing superb work from similar machines.

I have cut a few gears, but would never claim to be an expert on gears, or even capable of producing very good ones.

Perhaps the real skill is in being able to differentiate the dross from the gold. (There is a vast amount of that on here, if only you can spot it. ) The ability to recognise successfully grows as we become more knowledgeable and experienced.

Some comments will disagree with your statements. Some of those will be valid, others will not!

Filtering the good from the bad is part of the learning process.

You never win 'em all!

Howard

 

Edited By Howard Lewis on 27/01/2020 15:52:10

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Picking holes in people’s English grammar and spelling is generally not done on forums. A few things annoy me but if people don’t know any better then they should not be picked up for their mistakes. Most people wouldn’t dream of correcting someone who gets things wrong in speech so as we are having a conversation and not an English lesson we should just let it go. Let he without sin cast the first stone.

Mike

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