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  • #639065
    Bazyle
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      @bazyle

      Terry, do try to get along to a club or at least have someone with experience of loco running as there are a lot of little points you need to know to avoid damaging the loco and boiler during start up and cool down.

      You should also track down the drawings and articles in ME if you can as they will tell you and show you where the controls are.

      #639073
      Terry Chapman 2
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        @terrychapman2
        Posted by Bazyle on 25/03/2023 11:03:54:

        Terry, do try to get along to a club or at least have someone with experience of loco running as there are a lot of little points you need to know to avoid damaging the loco and boiler during start up and cool down.

        You should also track down the drawings and articles in ME if you can as they will tell you and show you where the controls are.

        Hi, Not really the 'clubby' type tbh? I will try and find the drawings though,thanks.

        #639267
        Richard Lewis 5
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          @richardlewis5

          20201119_064617.jpg20201119_064602.jpg20201119_064548.jpgI also have not run my Bantam Cock, not sure if i will ? Heavily into the A4 Pacific build currently.

          20201119_064537.jpg

          Apologies re; orientation of pics

          Edited By Neil Wyatt on 07/04/2023 16:41:18

          #639759
          Phil H1
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            @philh196021

            Has anybody run something like a Bantom Cock and can they comment on its performance. I am interested to know because I am over half way through a Rob Roy. I know the performance of a Rob Roy can be a challenge so I am already looking for a second engine when I have finished.

            I have two possible routes. The first being a version of Betty (similar size to Bantom Cock). I have castings etc to build one – or even use many of the castings I have to build a bigger tank engine like William. The second option is to build something maybe a bit heavier like a Butch or even a 5" gauge Rob Roy.

            I guess my question is that as Rob Roy is a little bit small and light, would I regret the many hours building another 3 1/2 gauge engine?

            Phil H

            #639767
            Baz
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              @baz89810

              Phil a five inch gauge Rob Roy is basically a Simplex, with my many degrees in hindsight I would build five inch gauge, I have a 3 1/2 Doris black 5 and it goes well enough but I don’t find it as relaxing as a small 5” loco. I have a Rob Roy under the bench that only requires platework to finish, it has sat there for 25 years. In answer to your question, I think you would regret the time and effort.

              #640388
              Phil H1
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                @philh196021

                Thanks Baz for your input. I really appreciate it – comments like yours are very helpful.

                I hope you dont mind me asking more. I would imagine that the engines like Doris etc might struggle because of the lack of weight across the axles but do you have the same feeling when it comes to larger 3 1/2" gauge engines – perhaps like 2-6-4 Jubilee by Martin Evans. It looks quite large and has the side tanks. Is there really much difference in performance and lack of adhesion between say Jubilee versus Simplex or Butch?

                Phil H

                #640407
                Baz
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                  @baz89810

                  Phil in answer to adhesion that is down to weight of loco on the driving wheels, performance comes down to cylinders and grate area. For me it comes down to relaxed driving, not always having to keep an eye on the fire and the water and the pressure, and of course the signals. I tend to run the 3 1/2 gauge during the week when I have the track to myself without signals, for club running days I prefer a five inch loco, lastly some club members class the smaller gauges as rolling roadblocks, particularly when they are chasing you round on a five inch Black 5 and you are on a small three and a half. Comparing the Jubilee and a Simplex for a start the Simplex will have a grate wider by about inch and a quarter purely because of the difference in gauge. So having said all this what am I currently building…….a 2 1/2 inch gauge Toby 0-4-2. You must build what you like regardless of gauge.

                  #640410
                  Phil H1
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                    @philh196021

                    Baz,

                    Thanks again, another great answer. I think my plan is now to obviously try to complete my Rob Roy but I will go down to my local club and have a chat with some of the members to help guide me towards a second locomotive.

                    One of the local club members suggested Sweet Pea. I am sure it is a very successful and relatively simple design but I think I would prefer to build something closer to a real engine regarding its appearance. As you say, you need to build what you want. If nothing else, to keep you focused.

                    Thanks once again.

                    Phil H

                    #640431
                    Baz
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                      @baz89810

                      Phil PM sent.

                      #640500
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        I rotated your pics Richard.

                        #640503
                        Frances IoM
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                          @francesiom58905

                          Neil – are you sure you rotated them as still display Australian mode for me

                          #640885
                          Richard Lewis 5
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                            @richardlewis5

                            Thanks Neil, very impressed, not having any luck finding anyone who has or is building an A4 Pacific, does anyone know of that person ?

                            Cheers Rich

                            #645647
                            Steam-Driver1
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                              @steam-driver1

                              I have just joined this forum as very keen on 3 1/2 inch steam locos, I inherited my Dads Henley 0-4-0 which I’ve had running a couple of times but having problems with the cylinders hydraulic locking with water & shearing the 1/16 inch steel taper pins that connect the piston rods to the motion link rod. I wonder if 1/16 inch is a bit small? I can’t see any details for these on the original Reeves drawings? Has anyone else encountered these issues with a Henley?

                              I’m going to fit cylinder drain cocks to alleviate the hydraulic locking

                              #645668
                              Weary
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                                @weary

                                Dave,

                                As designed Henley is a slide-valve design so the valves should lift off the sliding faces to allow any trapped water to escape and so prevent hydraulic locking. Have you got enough clearance (approx 1/16" as drawn) between the top of the valves and the valve covers allowing them to lift? Is there enough vertical clearance between the bottom of the valve rod slot and the valve rod itself or is that lack of clearance preventing lifting?

                                Of course if your father converted to piston valves then that facility is lost & you will have to go for drain or cylinder relief valves.

                                1/16" pin should be fine – you want that pin to shear to prevent any more serious issues. Supposing that you do indeed have slide valves fitted I suggest that you find out why water condensate cannot escape by lifting the valves off the face first.

                                Regards,

                                Phil

                                #645785
                                Steam-Driver1
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                                  @steam-driver1

                                  Many thanks Phil for your reply,

                                  i’ll check the valve clearances first before I do anything else & that’s a very good point about keeping the taper pins at 1/16 inch so they continue to act as shear pins in case of any further lock ups.

                                  I’ll see if I can post some photos on here of the loco.

                                  cheers, Dae

                                  #850397
                                  terrier11newport
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                                    @terrier11newport

                                    As someone who has recently got into the hobby 3 1/2” gauge is definitely the most suitable gauge. A large tender loco eg Maisie is just as good as say a simplex. There is a large range of standard and narrow gauge designs a favourite of mine being P.V. Baker. There is certainly something to be said for the smaller gauges. Here is a couple of photos of my 3 1/2” locosIMG_4624IMG_4144IMG_3717

                                    #850473
                                    Nigel Graham 2
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                                      @nigelgraham2

                                      Has anyone yet built the GWR pannier-tank loco whose construction series in MEW concluded a few issues back?

                                      I recall Part One described it as designed with the beginner in mind. It uses Rob Roy (I recall rightly?) castings and laser-cut plates, and the boiler simplified from Belpaire to round-topped for easier fabricating.  This modification is hidden on the complete miniature by the tanks and suitably-formed cladding. I wondered if the resulting loss of steam space would be significant, but decided probably not.

                                      A GWR loco might have an advantage for right-handed drivers, too, in placing the main controls on that side.

                                       

                                      Regarding LBSC’s two 3.5″g stalwarts, Tich and Juliet, I’d have thought the latter the easier to make and drive, being that bit larger. Although Tich‘s external Baker valve gear gives easier assembly and servicing than Juliet‘s inside Stephenson’s Link Motion and valve-chests.

                                       

                                      (I own a 7.25″ g version, which LBSC himself wryly suggested would be a Julie, presently still waiting for me to pluck up the courage to get on and perform some rather delicate surgery on “her” superheater header.)

                                      #850581
                                      duncan webster 1
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                                        @duncanwebster1

                                        Standard Tich had a choice of Walschearts or slip eccentric, Baker was a later option. Having modelled Baker gear I wouldn’t touch it with the proverbial barge pole, lots of pin joints to give lost motion, and poor valve events.

                                        Inside Stephenson with rocking shaft to get to outside valves has a lot going for it as you can work on the big rods without dismantling part of the valve gear. Downside is accessibility. Some argue that eccentrics are difficult to make, but I don’t have any trouble

                                        #850590
                                        Nigel Graham 2
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                                          @nigelgraham2

                                          I had a copy of the ‘Tich’ book, and that gave only the Baker gear version (or slip eccentrics, I think).

                                          I’d suggest the difficulty some see in making eccentrics stems from the various designs of them, with some trickier than others.

                                          I am basing my steam-wagon’s enclosed engine on the Harris improvements to the LBSC design for the 5″g Maid of Kent, and manufactured the eccentrics and straps by making them a single diameter right across but using a sort of cross between circlip and piston-ring in one central groove in each, for the retainer.

                                          #851820
                                          Paul McDonough
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                                            @paulmcdonough43628

                                            I elected to design and build a 3 1/2″ Gauge diesel (petrol) electric loco, a class 93, despite being encouraged to go to 5″ by club members, and whilst I have had moments where I thought “why am I doing this to myself?” the fall back position is informed by: cost, inability to turn larger parts and it is more manageable at approx 1280mm long.

                                            So I’m all for more people to get into 3 1/2″ gauge, if only for the support, i feel all alone in this endeavour!

                                            Class-93-3.5

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