Sltting saw, what to buy

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  • #295176
    dave train
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      @davetrain79096

      I am looking to buy a slitting cutter for my mill. I will need the holder as well as the saw.

      What would you reccomend for Aluminium and where is a good place to buy?

      #8681
      dave train
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        @davetrain79096
        #295179
        Nick_G
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          @nick_g

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          Hi Dave,

          We really need to know a few things.

          What size is your mill and what spindle fitting does it have.
          What size of aluminium stock do you wish to cut. etc.

          Nick

          #295180
          not done it yet
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            @notdoneityet

            I would guess that the biggest your machine will accommodate after consideration of what you really expect to cut, or spend.

            Holders are available from the sellers on the right side of your screen. You pays your money and get the quality you pay for.

            #295231
            John Reese
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              @johnreese12848

              Do not buy an arbor that accepts blades of several bore sizes. I have a couple. They do not run true. Buy or make an arbor that fits the arbor hole in the blade you will be using.

              #295306
              dave train
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                @davetrain79096

                The mill is a Warco wm18, R8

                Max 2.5"

                #295311
                nigel jones 5
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                  @nigeljones5

                  Just to echo advice above, dont buy a multi fit arbour, they are terrible! I buy quality second hand blades from ebay as opposed to new cheap chinese ones.

                  #295344
                  not done it yet
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                    @notdoneityet

                    He won't need a multi fit arbor. He's only buying one saw.smiley

                    #295350
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      I'd go for a "stub arbor" , 1" is a common size and you will be able to find slitting saws with this bore from most sources. Get one with a screw fastening as the nutted ones have a lot more protrusion beyound the blade which can stop you getting close to the work when in a vice, something like the last item on this page will do you. It will aslo take gear cutters.

                      As for size you can go larger than 2.5" , I would say a 4" dia saw with about 35teeth will do for aluminium, more teeth if cutting thin material. Run it slowly as they don't last long if run too fast

                       

                      Edited By JasonB on 28/04/2017 13:17:54

                      #295357
                      HOWARDT
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                        @howardt

                        I use a 3mt 22mm long arbor. The only problem I have sometimes is the size of the lock nut it prevents getting in close sometimes because it fouls the vice. I would make a plain shaft holder with a cap screw clamp this will allow to get closer over vice jaws. At the moment I am going to make a 1" adaptor for my existing arbor and use it as a cut off saw on the lathe.

                        #295368
                        dave train
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                          @davetrain79096

                          Thanks

                          What thickness should I get and will 36 teeth be ok?

                          Edited By dave train on 28/04/2017 15:00:33

                          #295369
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            Depends what you are doing with it, if you want a specific width cut then that will dictate what thickness blade you need.

                            If its just to cut off bits of metal then say 1/16" which won't flex too much.

                            36T will be OK unless cutting very thin material as I said above, the lower tooth count will allow the chips to be cleared easier on aluminium.

                            #295401
                            dave train
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                              @davetrain79096

                              Thanks

                              Just one more question, if I also buy a blade for steel what tooth count wound you advide

                              #295410
                              JasonB
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                                @jasonb

                                75-100Teeth

                                Just one thing before you buy, if you prefer to work in metric then a 22mm dia arbor will be a better bet as the metric width blades tend to have a 22mm bore

                                Edited By JasonB on 28/04/2017 20:11:47

                                #295430
                                Anonymous
                                  Posted by dave train on 28/04/2017 18:44:58:

                                  Just one more question, if I also buy a blade for steel what tooth count wound you advide

                                  It depends on what you want to do with the saw. Slitting saws come in two basic types, fine tooth, ie, lots of teeth, and coarse tooth, fewer teeth. In this picture most of the slitting saws are coarse, the thin one bottom right is fine:

                                  slitting saws.jpg

                                  Fine tooth slitting saws are for shallow slots, like screw heads. Use them for deeper slots and they'll jam, irrespective of the material. Coarse tooth slitting saws are intended for cutting deep slots. I use a slitting saw like the one top left for cutting up lumps of hot rolled steel. Depth of cut can be up to ½" with a tooth load of 2-4 thou. Here's a deep cut in cast iron:

                                  Slitting Saw in Action

                                  Andrew

                                  #295434
                                  dave train
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                                    @davetrain79096

                                     

                                    Arc do 22mm R8 arbours but the biggest saw is 80mm.

                                    If I want to go to 4" as Jason suggested then I will need to go to 1" bore – **LINK**   It it as important metric vs imperial?

                                    So which is the best type of arbout, the one above or this one – **LINK**

                                    The Chronos one the saw is near the end however the Arc one looks like the locking nut will give a tighter fit?

                                    Edited By dave train on 28/04/2017 23:41:15

                                    #295440
                                    Ralph sheheen
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                                      @ralphsheheen88046

                                      I agree with John, make your own arbor. its more rewarding.

                                      #295444
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        Metric 100mm dia x 22mm bore are available, if you need to cut say a 1mm wide slot then you will need a metric cutter, if just chopping up bits of metal then it does not matter what you use. see pages 506 & 507 for metric saws in coarse and fine.

                                        As I said earlier the ones with a locking nut mean you can't get the cut as close to the vice which means nore work sticking out or if small parts you just can't cut them. Yoy can see in Andrew's photo that if he went nearer the vice there would be a risk of the nut hitting the jaws if he moves in the Y direction too. Go for the CSK screw fixing. An Allen key will get it plenty tight enoungh, better to have the saw slip if things jam up rather than have the blade burst.

                                        #295452
                                        dave train
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                                          @davetrain79096

                                          Ah right makes sence. Your link to Chronos for the 1" R8 arbour with CSK Fixing, however they dont seem to do the same with a 22mm arbour. Neither do ARC, and suggestion as to where else I may find this?

                                          #295453
                                          IanT
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                                            @iant

                                            Hi Dave,

                                            If you want to save some pennies – then making your own saw arbor (from a blank taper) is a fairy easy job and you could probably then afford to have one of each – both imperial and a metric (1"/22mm). You don't mention your lathe but a saw arbor for the lathe is also very handy too…

                                            You can buy blank R8 arbors from Chronos I believe. Mine have an additional lump of mild steel loctited onto the blank end and then the required 'hole' diameter is bored out. A 'top-hat' (with the saw fitted) slides into this hole and is secured with a screw. This enables various thicknesses of saw to be fitted, albeit with the same hole diameter. I know imported tools are cheap but buying ready made stuff all the time can mount up. My saw arbors are all MT1 or MT2 to fit my lathe/mill tapers…but no reason you can't do this for R8.

                                            Regards,

                                            IanT

                                            mt1 slitting saw.jpg

                                            #295461
                                            dave train
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                                              @davetrain79096

                                              I spoke to Chronos re the 22mm arbour and they said they are finding it difficults to sourse one.

                                              So I either go for 1" or like Ian suggested buy a blank arbour and make my own 22mm one

                                              I dont suppose anyone had a drawing of one?

                                              #295466
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                I made a very simple stepped adapror to allow me to fit 22mm bore cutters onto my 1" arbor, will post a pic later.

                                                #295527
                                                JasonB
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                                                  @jasonb

                                                  Here you go, piece of steel turned to teh samd dia as the arbor body, recess one end that is a very good fit onto the end of the 1" arbor.

                                                  dsc01918.jpg

                                                  Short spigot turned on the other end that is a close fit in a 22mm saw/gear cutter. Hole through the middle for the clamping screw.

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