How do I make these wheels?

How do I make these wheels?

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    nigel jones 5
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      I need wheels for a 71/4 Invicta, I dont know how to get to a finished item. At 1" thick they are too deep to have laser cut, water cutting is too expensive and I wouldnt expect casting them to be cheap! Any suggestions? Front wheels have an unusual pattern, rear wheels are a bit better.

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      nigel jones 5
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        #116465
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Why not fabricate them.

          The front spokes are just a series of flat strip bent into triangles, the short edge following the rim and the long edges concave to form the spokes. Plenty of Portable engines done that way.

          The rears look like the spokes are just round so easy enough to fabricate from rod or tube

          Good image here for anyone that does not know what they look like.

          J

          #116472
          Phil H 1
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            @philh1

            Fizzy,

            I agree with Jason. A fellow apprentice fabricated a whole series of spoked cannon wheels using stainless steel welding rod with brass hubs and rims. They were obviously much smaller and lighter but a very similar technique could be used for the rear wheels of your engine using steel. Pieces of sheet could be used used to form the spokes for the front wheels. I have also seen several articles on building normal locomotive wheels from scratch using fabrication tachniques.

            PhilH

            #116480
            nigel jones 5
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              @nigeljones5

              thanks chaps, I can see how I might make the various parts but how would one fasten the spokes in place?

              #116486
              Sub Mandrel
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                @submandrel

                Silver solder?

                Neil

                #116488
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  The originals would have had the hub cast around the spokes.

                  Your easiest option would be to cut slots in the hub to locate the spokes and silver solder them in place. If you bend up triangles then the curved outer edge can be soldered to the rim though the originals may well have been rivited to the separate tyres. Another option would be just to use arc shaped spokes soldered into the slotted hub and a slotted rim which will possibly be easier, just turn a raised section on the inside of the rim to represent the flat bar.

                  If you do fabricate then make the hub wider and a smaller bore than required and the rim bigger, you can the put the whole soldered assembly onto the lathe and true it up as if you were machining a casting

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                  Phil H 1
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                    @philh1

                    Fizzy,

                    The article I saw many years ago (Im sure it was the model engineer in about 1977ish) used silver solder.

                    Purely for interest – the wheel hubs and rims were started by drilling holes at set pitch circles – say 18 holes for the hub and 18 matching holes in the rim. The hub and rims were then machined to leave semi circlular slots on the outside of the hub and inner bore of the rim. The spokes were cut to equal length with curved ends to match the semi circular slots. The whole thing was then assembled and silver soldered. A lot of work!!

                    PhilH

                    #116504
                    Phil H 1
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                      @philh1

                      Fizzy,

                      Have you settled on Invicta? Don't you think this would look superb at a large scale (nice normalish wheels)? Lovely colour too.

                      steam-locomotive.jpg

                      PhilH

                      #116512
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        "Nice Normalish Wheels" are those not wooden wheels?

                        It may also suffer traction problems like the model Northumbrians have with only one driver.

                        But it is a good colour

                        J

                        #116571
                        Phil H 1
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                          @philh1

                          Jason,

                          Yes I would imagine that the wheels are not such a problem and I would imagine the engine would perform as well as the Rocket that I saw at large scale.

                          PhilH

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                          nigel jones 5
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                            To conclude this, in the end I had 4 off 6mm wheels cut which I then riveted together. Im impressed with the end result!

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