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    Dougie Swan
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      Hi

      I am considering making the bearings for my latest engine from babbit

      I am thinking of casting two half round and soldering them together for machining

      My question is can I solder babbitt or is the melting point too close to the solder melting point

      Thanks in advance

      Dougie

      #28832
      Dougie Swan
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        #612480
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Now there’s a question, Dougie

          The answer is … it will depend which one !!

          No, I am not trying to be funny

          Wikipedia will explain: **LINK**

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbitt_(alloy)

          MichaelG.

          #612482
          Dougie Swan
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            @dougieswan43463

            Well that was eye opening

            Thanks Michael

            #612485
            Speedy Builder5
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              @speedybuilder5

              Can you hold the two halves of the bearing together with the bearing bolts and then machine them?

              #612503
              duncan webster 1
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                @duncanwebster1

                Super Glue?

                #612506
                old mart
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                  @oldmart

                  Another way would be to make two bearings, bore them and cut them in two with a hacksaw offset from the centre and then filing or milling the bigger one of each back to the centreline.

                  #612508
                  Jeff Dayman
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                    @jeffdayman43397

                    Suggest a mechanical jig to hold the bits for machining, rather than soldering. Better yet forget the babbitt and go with SAE 660 bronze bushings, or cast iron bushings.

                    #612518
                    bernard towers
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                      @bernardtowers37738

                      Plus one for superglue I have used it and it works well (keep cool).

                      #612555
                      Henry Brown
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                        @henrybrown95529

                        In my experience Babbit or white metal is usually backed by steel or something rigid as it is very soft. The Co. I used to work for made them in all sizes from about 25mm to 600mm diameter, both split halves and unsplit, all for use in their gearboxes.

                        #612561
                        Martin Johnson 1
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                          @martinjohnson1

                          Do you already have some babbitt or whitemetal? If not expect eye watering prices. I purchased some a few years ago to make a steering nut.

                          Martin

                          #612566
                          Dougie Swan
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                            @dougieswan43463

                            Thanks for the replies

                            I have got some babbit, that's what made me think about the bearings, but I think I will probably stick with bronze

                            Dougie

                            #612568
                            not done it yet
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                              @notdoneityet

                              Babbit bearings, in my experience, have been supported within a steel structure – generally cast in situ and then machined.

                              The supporting material can be clamped, glued, soldered? (carefully). Perhaps I’ve only come across larger bearings of this type, but that is generally the way it is done. Shimmed bearing halves so that they can be scraped, and shims removed, to adjust the bearings for fit/wear.

                              #612573
                              OuBallie
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                                @ouballie

                                Something of interest are my Austin Seven two bearing conrods with cast in place bearing material.
                                Crank bearings are 1.3/8” diameter.

                                1935 Austin Seven Ruby ARQ

                                1935 Austin Seven Ruby ARQ

                                Considering age of car these are in nigh on perfect condition, other than the oil retaining ‘pits’.
                                No idea what has caused thise.

                                Geoff – Feeling somewhat human again

                                Edited By OuBallie on 06/09/2022 14:05:45

                                #612611
                                not done it yet
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                                  @notdoneityet

                                  I have four rods, for a 2 3/4” crank, needing to be re-metalled. Doubt I will ever get round to it as I have a good set of mains and rods. Unless needed, the 20kg of white metal can remain as two cast cylindrical lumps of metal.

                                  When I had to rebuild my 73 year-old tractor, about 35 years ago, all I had to do was remove shims from between the con-rod and end-cap. Max crankshaft speed was only 1125rpm and it had only been worked hard for about 15 years on a 150 acre farm.

                                  #612617
                                  Martin Kyte
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                                    @martinkyte99762
                                    Posted by OuBallie on 06/09/2022 14:03:12:

                                    Something of interest are my Austin Seven two bearing conrods with cast in place bearing material.
                                    Crank bearings are 1.3/8” diameter.

                                    1935 Austin Seven Ruby ARQ

                                    1935 Austin Seven Ruby ARQ

                                    Considering age of car these are in nigh on perfect condition, other than the oil retaining ‘pits’.
                                    No idea what has caused thise.

                                    Geoff – Feeling somewhat human again

                                    Edited By OuBallie on 06/09/2022 14:05:45

                                    Nice to hear you feeling better.

                                    regards Martin

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