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    Terry Morphey
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      Hi guys, pick this up the other day for no reason just that i liked the look of it, no idea what it is, i was told that it was a myford ML1 but looking on the lathe web pages the head stock is different and no myford name in the casting, small lathe 28" long 3" swing 10" centre, any ideas welcome, anybody know what its worth its up for grabs

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      Edited By Terry Morphey on 18/08/2022 10:23:15

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      Terry Morphey
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        @terrymorphey64370
        #610170
        Hopper
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          @hopper

          Have a look at Zyto lathes on lathes.co.uk. Look pretty similar but they too had their name cast in on most beds. But also look at the associated Tyzack lathes and also Portass might be a bit similar. There was a bit of copying and outright badge engineering that went on with some of those and associated brands.

          #610176
          Nigel Graham 2
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            @nigelgraham2

            With no name I would suspect a badge-engineering machine here, adopting ideas from leading manufacturers, but it looks a very comprehensive and useful lathe for its size.

            The cantilever bed was common practice for small lathes, made early-20C.

            Drummond used that pattern of faceplate but put the leadscrew along the axis of the bed.

            Myford and Drummond both used T-slotted cross-slides.

            '

            (Written as perhaps not fully 'guru', but still a "small lathe guru" in both senses of the phrase!)

            #610181
            Nicholas Farr
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              @nicholasfarr14254

              Hi Terry, it looks very similar to my late father's RandA lathe, with a mixture of RandA and Myford change gears. The RandA change gears just having a single hole for driving them, while Myford's have a key way. The faceplate is the same design as my father's, but yours has a cross slide whereas my father's one doesn't.

              randa model b.jpg

              It could though, be any of those badged in lathes.co.uk/randa

              Regards Nick.

              #610184
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                It is a RandA derivative. The design was badge engineered by half a dozen of the main players. The Lathes site give lot of detail.

                There are several threads on the forum about this lathe.

                Note the backgear has ever so slightly wider gears which are ever so lightly >20 DP. When the larger ones get broken people often substitute a Myford 60 tooth changewheel that doesn't quite mesh correctly but makes do.
                Looks like you have quite a selection of changegears but if trawling ebay for missing ones don't be fooled by Drummond gears that also use a pin instead of a keyway but they are 14Dp and the pin is much bigger. One occasionally sees a mix indicating the seller got caught out at some time.

                #610185
                Bazyle
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                  @bazyle

                  BTW if you ever diss-assemble the saddle there is a little hidden spring waiting to fly into a deep recess of your workshop. I can't remember exactly but detailed it on one of the other threads.

                  #610193
                  Howard Lewis
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                    @howardlewis46836

                    IF the gears are 20DP, 14.5 PA, gears from ML7s can be used (5/8" bore ) by drilling a hole ,for the driving pin (It means drilling through one of the existing gears to use as a jig ) The hole should not go all the way through, to stop the pin falling out. Obviously, keep the hole away from the keyway.

                    The Myford ML 1, 2,3 and 4 used a 3/32" pin to transfer the drive from a driving collar or from gear to gear..

                    Howard

                    #611146
                    Terry Morphey
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                      @terrymorphey64370
                      Posted by Nicholas Farr on 18/08/2022 11:36:24:

                      Hi Terry, it looks very similar to my late father's RandA lathe, with a mixture of RandA and Myford change gears. The RandA change gears just having a single hole for driving them, while Myford's have a key way. The faceplate is the same design as my father's, but yours has a cross slide whereas my father's one doesn't.

                      randa model b.jpg

                      It could though, be any of those badged in lathes.co.uk/randa

                      Regards Nick.

                      this is it thats the one thanks nick

                      #611147
                      Terry Morphey
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                        @terrymorphey64370
                        Posted by Bazyle on 18/08/2022 11:38:45:

                        It is a RandA derivative. The design was badge engineered by half a dozen of the main players. The Lathes site give lot of detail.

                        There are several threads on the forum about this lathe.

                        Note the backgear has ever so slightly wider gears which are ever so lightly >20 DP. When the larger ones get broken people often substitute a Myford 60 tooth changewheel that doesn't quite mesh correctly but makes do.
                        Looks like you have quite a selection of changegears but if trawling ebay for missing ones don't be fooled by Drummond gears that also use a pin instead of a keyway but they are 14Dp and the pin is much bigger. One occasionally sees a mix indicating the seller got caught out at some time.

                        i did wonder on the gears as there are key gears and pin hole perhaps the last owner was about start drilling

                        #611148
                        Terry Morphey
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                          @terrymorphey64370
                          Posted by Bazyle on 18/08/2022 11:42:19:

                          BTW if you ever diss-assemble the saddle there is a little hidden spring waiting to fly into a deep recess of your workshop. I can't remember exactly but detailed it on one of the other threads.

                          this sounds like previous experience right there

                          #611149
                          Terry Morphey
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                            @terrymorphey64370
                            Posted by Howard Lewis on 18/08/2022 12:08:07:

                            IF the gears are 20DP, 14.5 PA, gears from ML7s can be used (5/8" bore ) by drilling a hole ,for the driving pin (It means drilling through one of the existing gears to use as a jig ) The hole should not go all the way through, to stop the pin falling out. Obviously, keep the hole away from the keyway.

                            The Myford ML 1, 2,3 and 4 used a 3/32" pin to transfer the drive from a driving collar or from gear to gear..

                            Howard

                            we think thats what the last owner was about to start doing making gears fit

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