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  • #23234
    Russell Eberhardt
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      #148828
      Russell Eberhardt
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        @russelleberhardt48058

        Found this in a box of bits and pieces:

        dscf2386.jpg

        It has 60 teeth, about 65 mm diameter and is calibrated in degrees. It looks as if it is a brass die-casting.

        Any ideas what it might belong to?

        Russell.

        #148831
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Hello Russell,

          I can't identify it but the gear works out to 24DP for the nearest whole number

          Regards Brian

          #148836
          Neil Wyatt
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            @neilwyatt

            Perhaps its something to do with dividing?

            Neil

            #148837
            Rick Kirkland 1
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              @rickkirkland1

              With 60 teeth and something that resembles 360 divisions you could be right.Quite what the missing part or parts are is still a mystery to me. Thinking cap on.

              Rick

              #148869
              Ulf Wilen
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                @ulfwilen49456

                Hej

                Why not send it to mr Pete **LINK** and he will clure it out

                Ulf

                #148880
                Russell Eberhardt
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                  @russelleberhardt48058
                  Posted by Neil Wyatt on 03/04/2014 19:28:24:

                  Perhaps its something to do with dividing?

                  Neil

                  Yes,I thought that. The teeth are straight so it would not be too good with a worm but I guess it would be difficult to die-cast with the correct tooth form.

                  It must be from something that was made in big volume as die-casting tools are expensive. I can't figure out why the boss is like that although I guess that the part would have been drilled and tapped to take a clamping screw and the groove could accommodate that.

                  It will have to go into the box for things that will never be of use until they are thrown out smiley

                  Russell.

                  #148884
                  JA
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                    @ja

                    Right, I will have a go.

                    The gear wheel probably sat on the shaft and did not rotate on it since there is no sign of a bush. The large slot on the boss has well rounded edges suggesting that something engaged (and disengaged) without too much thought (probably by hand). What every it was was probably also on the shaft and, obviously, did not rotate on the shaft. There is a dominant line at an angle of 315 degrees. Die-cast so plenty were made. Also, if made from brass, it would not have transmitted much torque.

                    Pure guess (from the 315 degrees) – part of the drive to a magneto on an IC engine?

                    JA

                    #148887
                    Gordon W
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                      @gordonw

                      I have seen one of these, but cannot remember where or what, it' driving me mad, old age. Think the mag drive may be correct, . Bot it does look as if the hole is not on center line, is this just the photo angle? Is the hole tapered ?

                      #148896
                      John McNamara
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                        @johnmcnamara74883

                        coin operated Gas or electricity Meter Minute Timer?

                        Divisions are 5

                        It is pressure cast or sintered metal you can see the release pin depressions, so mass produced.

                        Regards
                        John

                        Edited By John McNamara on 04/04/2014 15:48:38

                        #148914
                        Ian P
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                          @ianp

                          Like Gordon W, I have the impression I have seen one of these before, even if not exactly the same I am sure the slot in the boss looks familiar.

                          One thought thought I have is that the graduations look to be engraved after the part was cast as it would be a lot of hard work to create that profile in the die. Maybe someone modified an existing gear for some purpose we will never know.

                          Maybe the extended index line at 315 degrees was slip of the engravers hand? although it does just happen to be in line with the cast notch.

                          Ian P

                          #148961
                          Ian S C
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                            @iansc

                            I'm thinking war surplus, part for a gun sight, some sort of navigation instrument. Ian S C

                            #148968
                            Neil Wyatt
                            Moderator
                              @neilwyatt

                              45 degree as a a timing advance angle is a pretty compelling suggestion.

                              Neil

                              #148971
                              jason udall
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                                @jasonudall57142

                                Thats what it reminded me of

                                The keyway looks like a rotor arm to me..
                                Well not literally but like it..

                                #148972
                                Brian Wood
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                                  @brianwood45127

                                  Hello Neil,

                                  Yes, I agree but if that was it's sole purpose there are simpler ways of providing the information. My guess is that it had a wider use altogether than that [but what?] and with the gears at 6 degree intervals it would not be a precision piece.

                                  Brian

                                  #148977
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                    With Graduations at 5° intervals, and Teeth at 6°

                                    Might it be part of a "Vernier" setting-up-tool for Camshafts ?

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #162751
                                    Speedy Builder5
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                                      @speedybuilder5

                                      And another mystery object:-

                                      Obviously a calliper, but one side is engraved in Millimeters/Centimeters the other in "inches", but not quite as each "inch" is 27.38 mm (1.078" ) and each "inch" is subdivided into twelfths. The overall measuring length is 13 Cm. Its rustic and has a lot of age to it (hardly precision). My other clue is that it was found in SW France. No prizes, but I will be interested in your thoughts.

                                      Bob H

                                      minicalliper75.jpg

                                      Edited By Speedy Builder5 on 05/09/2014 19:00:33

                                      #162752
                                      Neil Wyatt
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                                        @neilwyatt

                                        We blame the metric system on Napoleon, but apparently he hated it!

                                        If they were 27.7mm they would be his post-revolutionary 'mesures uselles' equivalent of inches.

                                        Units_of_measurement_in_France#Mesures_usuelles

                                        "… the toise (fathom) was defined as being two metres with six pied (feet) making up one toise, twelve pouce (inches) making up one pied and twelve lignes making up one pouce."

                                        If it's old enough to be pre-revolutionary, they may be the original pouce at 27.07mm.

                                        Units_of_measurement_in_France_before_the_French_Revolution

                                        Whatever it is, it's obviously of a good vintage.

                                        Neil

                                         

                                         

                                        Edited By Neil Wyatt on 05/09/2014 19:26:14

                                        #162753
                                        ChrisH
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                                          @chrish

                                          Thanks for that Neil – why is is nothing ever easy? Or simple?

                                          #162754
                                          Speedy Builder5
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                                            @speedybuilder5

                                            My sources say that Neil is not quite there as 1 = 27.38 mm. Keep it going.

                                            #162759
                                            Neil Wyatt
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                                              @neilwyatt

                                              Pah! It's a typical French compromise made at roughly the half-way point between the long and short pouces!

                                              Neil

                                              P.S. I didn't know all this before, just had the memory that the French used to have a 'funny inch' of their own before they went metric.

                                              Neil

                                              #162760
                                              Robert Dodds
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                                                @robertdodds43397

                                                Hi,

                                                1 : 1.078 corresponds with the typical shrinkage factor for Aluminium castings so it is quite possible that this caliper is made for someone producing small patterns for aluminium castings, perhaps even 1" to the Foot scale models. Patternmakers rulers certainly exist, with different shrinkage ratios for each different material that they are associated with but it is an inexact science due to the effect of different cooling rates, depending on the cast section and also influenced by the alloying of different melts. Additional allowances are also made to leave metal for fettling in some applications but this is very much a matter of whether "as cast" or machined finishes are specified.

                                                Bob D

                                                #162761
                                                Eugene
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                                                  @eugene

                                                  If I was making a casting pattern from a finished object that vernier could be quite handy, adding as it does about 8% to the actual dimension.

                                                  Eug

                                                  #162762
                                                  Eugene
                                                  Participant
                                                    @eugene

                                                    Sorry, posted at much the same time as Bob

                                                    Eug

                                                    #162763
                                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                                      Bob,

                                                      Maybe a silly question … have you checked the actual size of the "millimetres"

                                                      The reason for asking is that 27.38mm [i.e. your "inch"] converts nicely to 1 5/64"

                                                      … It might be a pattern-maker's calliper, corrected for shrinkage.

                                                      MichaelG.

                                                      .

                                                      Edit: Sorry, took a telephone call before posting

                                                      … Looks like we all got the answer.

                                                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 05/09/2014 20:41:51

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