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  • #530497
    Bo’sun
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      @bosun58570

      Good morning,

      When using HSS "rose" style countersink bits to countersink and chamfer holes in mild steel, how do I prevent them chattering? It occurs with both machine and hand operations.

      It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it's impossible to correct.

      I guess speed and lubrication might be the main considerations.

      #20177
      Bo’sun
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        @bosun58570

        How to prevent chatter?

        #530498
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Try putting a small piece of thin cotton fabric between the cutter and the work.

          MichaelG.

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          P.S. 1, 2 or 3 flute cutters are usually less troublesome 

          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/02/2021 11:30:15

          #530499
          Rod Renshaw
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            @rodrenshaw28584

            I think I read somewhere that rose bits were really woodworkers' tools.

            Single cutting edge countersink bits, of which there are several patterns, cut mild steel without chattering.

            Rod

            #530502
            Bo’sun
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              @bosun58570

              Thank you Michael. Now you mention it, I remember one of the guys at work using a piece of spent emery cloth.

              Rod. I did try the "snail" type bits, and they worked realy well, but they didn't appear to be very hard. Probably meant for woodwork. I'll do a search and see if I can find them in HSS.

              #530503
              Howard Lewis
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                @howardlewis46836

                In my experience, Chamfering tools chatter unless the speed is kept low, and fed very gently.

                The 1/2 " one is better than the 3/4" when they are used in the 3 MT Tailstock..

                Howard

                #530506
                Emgee
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                  @emgee
                  Posted by Bo'sun on 27/02/2021 11:22:46:

                  Good morning,

                  When using HSS "rose" style countersink bits to countersink and chamfer holes in mild steel, how do I prevent them chattering? It occurs with both machine and hand operations.

                  It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it's impossible to correct.

                  I guess speed and lubrication might be the main considerations.

                  Hi Bo'sun

                  I have experienced the same but found low speed (200) and lube with 1 good hit does the job and leaves a smooth finish if countersinking, for de-burring of small holes I use the same cutter but held in a chuck and operated by hand.

                  Emgee

                  #530509
                  Mike Hurley
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                    @mikehurley60381

                    After years getting oval, off centre or chattered countersinks with these type of cutters, I now get pretty well 100% success with the following 'rules'

                    1. Work firmly clamped down

                    2. Slow speed

                    3. (Probably the key one) be decisive! By this I mean, decide on your depth of countersink, set your stop on the drill press or equivalent on lathe/mill, then 'drill' in ONE FIRM motion to full depth. It always seemed to be the intermittent and 'bit less / or a tiny bit more' approach that causes issues.

                    regards. Mike

                    #530511
                    Hollowpoint
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                      @hollowpoint

                      While we are on the topic of countersink bits does anyone have any recommendations for good value/performance?

                      I always found the cheap ones are shockingly bad and the good ones are shockingly expensive. frown

                      #530515
                      Emgee
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                        @emgee
                        Posted by Hollowpoint on 27/02/2021 12:13:09:

                        While we are on the topic of countersink bits does anyone have any recommendations for good value/performance?

                        I always found the cheap ones are shockingly bad and the good ones are shockingly expensive. frown

                        You can make your own single point from silver steel hardened of course, just make sure you back off to give clearance.

                        Or if you have access to a tool grinder do the same from HSS.

                        Emgee

                        #530518
                        Bill Phinn
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                          @billphinn90025
                          Posted by Hollowpoint on 27/02/2021 12:13:09:

                          While we are on the topic of countersink bits does anyone have any recommendations for good value/performance?

                          I always found the cheap ones are shockingly bad and the good ones are shockingly expensive. frown

                          The range of Sherwood single-flute csks from Zoro are excellent in performance and value.

                          Alpen three-flute csks give very good performance as well though are a little pricier.

                          Machine countersinking shouldn't cause chattering as long as you keep the speed and downfeed pressure low, and have good stiffness in the set-up. I tend to use Vactra no.2 as a lubricant, when I do use a lubricant.

                           

                           

                          Edited By Bill Phinn on 27/02/2021 12:46:23

                          #530524
                          bernard towers
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                            @bernardtowers37738

                            I use the through hole ones in various sizes as I have zero success with any that have more than one cutting edge, and speed is definitely a factor.

                            #530540
                            Philip Rowe
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                              @philiprowe13116

                              Since I switched to using spotting drills instead of centre drills, I have found that they also make excellent countersink bits with no chatter at all.

                              Phil

                              #530547
                              Douglas Johnston
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                                @douglasjohnston98463
                                Posted by Philip Rowe on 27/02/2021 13:41:43:

                                Since I switched to using spotting drills instead of centre drills, I have found that they also make excellent countersink bits with no chatter at all.

                                Phil

                                +1 for that. I discovered this quite recently after buying a set of various diameter 90 degree spotting drills on the bay. They cut a treat and give a very neat countersink if you pick one just a tad bigger than the screwhead.

                                Doug

                                #530558
                                Martin Dowing
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                                  @martindowing58466

                                  There are *asymmetrical* countersinks where 3 segments with cutting edges are at different angles to each other.

                                  This design is implemmented explicitly to reduce / prevent chatter.

                                  Martin

                                  #530577
                                  Henry Brown
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                                    @henrybrown95529

                                    The RDG 3 flute ones are good. I've got a few, 25mm is the largest, they need to be run slowly with lots of cutting oil, I use CT90.

                                    #530590
                                    Georgineer
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                                      @georgineer
                                      Posted by Martin Dowing on 27/02/2021 16:13:26:

                                      There are *asymmetrical* countersinks where 3 segments with cutting edges are at different angles to each other.

                                      This design is implemmented explicitly to reduce / prevent chatter.

                                      Martin

                                      Dad had one he made when he was an apprentice which had just one 'tooth' at a different angle from the others. It was a delight to use. I think one of my brothers had it when we sorted out Dad's workshop.

                                      George B.

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