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    Vic
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      Do the budget live centres many places sell come apart easily? I'd like to replace the pointed part with a hollow piece as I can't seem to buy exactly what I want. Any explanation of how to disassemble one greatly appreciated!

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      Vic
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        #223135
        Roger Head
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          @rogerhead16992

          Vic, hard to answer without knowing which one/size, etc, but… When I bought my lathe 10-12 years ago, I also bought an MT3 live centre, approx A$60 – 70 as I recall. It was a piece of crap, got graunchy very rapidly, had it replaced, same happened again, jumped up and down, they finally replaced it with a significantly more expensive Skoda, which still runs smoothly to this day.. I pulled the old Chinese one apart (just needed a standard pin spanner at the front) and all the internals came out as a single assembly. Thing is, the centre, which is the front end of the central shaft on which all the bearings are assembled, simply had an upset boss at the rear end which held everything together and simultaneously preloaded (overloaded) the thrust bearing.

          The two main ball bearings feel perfectly ok (as they should, because it only had a few hours of use before the thrust bearing quit), but with the amount of work that you would have to put into it to try and make a decent device, the expression involving silk purses and sow's ears definitely comes to mind. I would suggest saving a few more quid and buying a Skoda, which I expect would also have other points available.

          The only reason I have held on to my old Chinese unit is because (1) I rarely throw anything away, and (2), the MT3 shank and body might one day turn into a tailstock die-holder (if I wait long enough).

          Roger

          #223139
          Thor 🇳🇴
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            @thor

            Hi Vic,

            You can get live centres with replacable tips ***Link*** from ARC. They are more expensive but will probably last longer. I agree with Roger about the Skoda centre, I have one myself, still good as new.

            Thor

            #223186
            Ian S C
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              @iansc

              Thumbs up on the Skoda centres, I'm on my second one, the work I was doing on the first one over loaded things a bit, and although the parts were available, it was cheaper to buy a new one, $NZ 120 or there abouts.

              Ian S C

              #223188
              Nick_G
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                @nick_g

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                I have wasted quite a bit of money on cheap live centres. It would have worked far cheaper to have bought a decent one in the first place.

                Nick

                #223270
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Apologies, Vic, for going slightly off-topic, but

                  I just found this page about Parfetta centres; and I'm bewildered.

                  Look at the cutaway view … Can someone please explain why the Taper Roller Bearing is used back-to-front question

                  MichaelG.

                  #223272
                  Ian P
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                    @ianp

                    At first glance is does look weird but after a little thought it clicked.

                    The roller bearing is one end of an opposed pair, its just that its opponent is not another taper roller bearing but a pure thrust race. The arrangement works because the two needle roller bearings keep the thrust bearing centralised.

                    Presumably the front threaded bearing retainer is used to set the axial preload.

                    Ian P

                    #223273
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      Posted by Ian Phillips on 30/01/2016 21:46:36:

                      At first glance is does look weird but after a little thought it clicked.

                      The roller bearing is one end of an opposed pair, its just that its opponent is not another taper roller bearing but a pure thrust race. The arrangement works because the two needle roller bearings keep the thrust bearing centralised.

                      Presumably the front threaded bearing retainer is used to set the axial preload.

                      Ian P

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                      Good thinking, Ian … but: so far as I can see [from the slightly better resolution image here], it's a little lacking in the 'threaded' feature  

                      The construction of my Gepy centres is more intuitively 'right'.

                      MichaelG.

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                      Edit: Just had another look … yes, that front seal probably is setting preload 

                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/01/2016 22:06:53

                      #223451
                      Vic
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                        @vic

                        There have been several live centre builds I've seen in magazines in years gone past but I didn't take too much notice at the time. I now find it quite interesting. I've (now) seen taper roller, deep groove, roller and thrust bearings used in their construction but no angular contact, anyone know why or are there some out there I've not seen yet?

                        Edited By Vic on 01/02/2016 10:21:58

                        #223468
                        Ian S C
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                          @iansc

                          Sparey in his book The Amateur's Lathe has the plans for building your own running centre, this would be good for light service. I built a number of these early in my time of owning a lathe, and sold them for use on wood lathes, as suitable centres were not available at the time.

                          Ian S C

                          #223469
                          Hopper
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                            @hopper

                            I have seen two types of budget centres as far as disassembly goes.

                            The first has threaded ring on the front that can be undone with a pin spanner (or small punch and hammer if needs must) and then the two ball bearings along with the centre spindle come out.

                            The other type looks like it is made in one piece with a large chamfer ground around the front area where the threaded ring goes on the first type. On this type there is a hole up the middle of teh morse taper. If you put a long slender punch up that hole and tap it with suitable hammer the front part of the chamfered body comes away and allows access to the bearings inside. If you are lucky the centre spindle will pop out before the bearings come out.

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                            Vic
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                              @vic

                              Thanks Hopper, worth knowing.

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