Glass hard Gauge plate?

Glass hard Gauge plate?

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  • #201537
    Vic
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      I'm thinking of making some scraper (wood turning) inserts from some Gauge plate. Hardening is easy at home but I'm wondering if it's worth bothering to temper them afterwards? Scraping wood shouldn't stress them that much and nothing lost if the odd one crumbles. Only issue I can see is safety, I don't really want any bits flying about! What do you guys think? How much hardness will I lose to temper them to a non brittle condition. I should add that I've made trigger parts before and left the extreme tips glass hard and not any any problems.

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      Vic
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        #201542
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Hello Vic,

          The late and great Tubal Cain used to recommend boiling in water for a while to reduce some of the brittleness from glass hard to improve the fracture toughness, the treatment has no measureable effect on the hardness and is very controllable at only 100 degrees C. Even if you do nothing I can't really believe that scraping timber is likely to introduce sufficient stress to lead to explosive degradation!

          It might be worth a go, after all you have nothing to lose by trying.

          Regards

          Brian

          #201548
          Keith Long
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            @keithlong89920

            Vic – if these are just inserts on the end of a tougher steel shaft – as per inserts used for metal turning – then I wouldn't bother tempering. If it's the full tool, shaft as well, then I'd be wanting some give in the shaft before it broke in case of a dig in or snagging an inclusion. I know with a scraper you only grazing the surface, but I'm thinking more if you hit a bit of wild grain or a nail someone banged into the tree 75 years ago. I had a salutary lesson in how brittle tools can be, when a 3/4 BSW tapping drill rolled off a bench and fell less than 2 feet on to a concrete floor – and I had to pick up the two pieces of it. 10 minutes before I'd used it to drill a hole in steel!

            #201550
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              Vic,

              Personally, I would prefer to use reclaimed old steel [such as can be found in decent moulding plane blades] … This was 'crucible steel' and takes a better edge than anything else you are likely to find.

              MichaelG.

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              P.S.  vintage files are another good source of quality steel.

              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 23/08/2015 13:04:47

              #201572
              Vic
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                @vic

                Thanks for your thoughts guys, I particularly like the boiling water tip Brian! The rest of the tool will likely be mild steel or maybe some stainless I have knocking about. I'll be using gauge plate or ground flat stock as some refer to it simply because I have some pieces of it in stock so it seems daft not to use it.

                #201594
                Boiler Bri
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                  @boilerbri

                  I make all my scrapers from old bearing outer cases, they sharpen up really well after you have straightened them and shaped them.

                  bri

                  #201676
                  Ian S C
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                    @iansc

                    I'v made gouges for wood turning from the outer race of a ball bearing , I'v also used old files for making wood turning tools. Un-tempered, hardened Gauge plate will cut the wood like a bit of glass used as a hand scraper, and will hole it's edge until it gets a bit hot, it's surprising how hot the edge can get on a bit of hard wood. ex wood turner

                    Ian S C

                    #201683
                    John Stevenson 1
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                      @johnstevenson1

                      Just leave then hard. The heat from the grinding is enough to take the temper off them

                      #201742
                      jason udall
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                        @jasonudall57142

                        A local boat builder uses / used ( now deceased ) glass as scraper..now thats brittle.
                        But defo sharp and hard..
                        From my reading scrapers “should” be as hard as possible ( if its difficult to sharpen with file then thats about hard enough).
                        I use hss hack saw blades ( 1/8″ thick ones from power saw)..as they say..takes an awful edge but holds it forever.

                        Edited By jason udall on 24/08/2015 18:11:39

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