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  • #17786
    John Stevenson 1
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      #198549
      John Stevenson 1
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        @johnstevenson1

        Why does a test meter need batteries when you are measuring a voltage.?

        Which roughly translates to the damn battery's are flat but I only want to see what voltage is at the ends of this cable.

        OK can understand you need a battery to measure resistance as there usually isn't any voltage / current but if you have a supply of say 48 volts then why can't it just read this and not rely on the last battery in captivity ?????/

        #198551
        clivel
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          @clivel

          If it is a regular analogue test meter without any electronic amplification, then there should be no need for batteries except for the resistance ranges. My 40 year old Avo 8 hasn't had batteries for years and still works perfectly, I just don't use it for measuring resistance.

          Of course this doesn't apply to digital meters which will require power to run the circuitry.

          Clive

          #198552
          I.M. OUTAHERE
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            @i-m-outahere

            So you can't use the meter to test it's own batteries ! smile p

            Ian

            #198560
            John Haine
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              @johnhaine32865

              Even on an Avo 8, probably not from the test leads, though IIRC it has a test button which allows you to.

              #198561
              Boiler Bri
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                @boilerbri

                Your not using it regularly enough to keep on top of the battery life😜.

                Bri

                #198562
                richardandtracy
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                  @richardandtracy

                  My ancient analogue one does everything, except resistance testing, without batteries.

                  Regards,

                  Richard

                  #198567
                  Stuart Bridger
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                    @stuartbridger82290

                    My trusted 30 year old digital fluke Fluke 77, I think has had one new battery (PP3) in all that time.. Doesn't get used that often though.

                    #198577
                    daveb
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                      @daveb17630

                      I was working on a BIG hydraulic press, used my brand new Fluke meter to sort out a control fault. Having sorted out the problem, I tested the machine. Anyone interested in a very thin Fluke multimeter?

                      Daveb

                      #198578
                      John Stevenson 1
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                        @johnstevenson1
                        Posted by daveb on 31/07/2015 10:05:46:

                        I was working on a BIG hydraulic press, used my brand new Fluke meter to sort out a control fault. Having sorted out the problem, I tested the machine. Anyone interested in a very thin Fluke multimeter?

                        Daveb

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                        So it also needs the thin coin cells now ? wink

                        #198591
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle

                          One of my earliest jobs in paid employment was drilling 3 in holes with a tank cutter in metal boxes for some volt and amp meters for bench test equipment. We moved on to digital meters that got updated every few years until the leads were bigger than the meter and the damn thing would scoot across the bench when you nudged a lead. Meanwhile I liberated one of the 15v plain meters and this morning checked the Landy battery with it. This meter hasn't had a battery change in 40 years.

                          #198607
                          modeng2000
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                            Posted by Stuart Bridger on 31/07/2015 09:14:37:

                            My trusted 30 year old digital fluke Fluke 77, I think has had one new battery (PP3) in all that time.. Doesn't get used that often though.

                            I've just replaced the one in mine.

                            #198617
                            Ian P
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                              @ianp
                              Posted by John Stevenson on 31/07/2015 00:45:28:

                              Why does a test meter need batteries when you are measuring a voltage.?

                              John, is that a serious question?

                              Any meter that does not contain batteries has to get its power from the thing you are measuring therefore it cannot read it without affecting its value.

                              Even a simple moving coil meter has to draw the power to move the needle from somewhere, circuit diagrams of yore usually specified the Ohms per Volt of the meter that was used when the datasheet values were noted. The displayed voltage is lower than what the circuits operating voltage will be when the meter probe is removed. Modern electronic and even cheap DVMs have a high enough input impedance have all but eliminated the practice.

                              There are plenty of voltmeters and Ammeters that get their operating supply from the measuring input but they are not general purpose multimeters.

                              Ian P

                              #198618
                              Jesse Hancock 1
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                                @jessehancock1

                                Interesting that no one is reporting corrosion on terminals after leaving all that time? I must be doing something wrong!

                                #198619
                                Neil Wyatt
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                                  @neilwyatt

                                  Simples! Get one with auto-off.

                                  As someone who grew up borrowing dad's AVO8 and having some very nice analogue meters, the accuracy and convenience of digital ones still amazes me.

                                  If you blow up a £10 digital one, you just replace it, my Eagle has evidence of a number of repairs from when my Dad had it.

                                  Neil

                                  Oh, and I do have a digital meter that gets its supply from the circuit under test –  a basic AC supply checker.

                                  Edited By Neil Wyatt on 31/07/2015 15:55:12

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