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  • #179171
    Diane Carney
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      @dianecarney30678

      Indeed.
      And whether you have ever been a rider on the Wall of Death! Try telling them there's no such thing a centrifugal force! wink

      Edited By Diane Carney on 09/02/2015 23:56:09

      #179176
      FMES
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        @fmes
        Posted by Diane Carney on 09/02/2015 23:55:38:

        Indeed.
        And whether you have ever been a rider on the Wall of Death! Try telling them there's no such thing a centrifugal force! wink

        Edited By Diane Carney on 09/02/2015 23:56:09

        Always thought it was Centripetal reaction.

        #179183
        Ian S C
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          @iansc

          The North Atlantic summer/winter Plimsoll Line would be to take into account the ice melt in summer when the sea becomes less saline.

          Ian S C

          #179185
          Ed Duffner
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            @edduffner79357

            If it's related to the tidal forces then it would depend where the moon is when the ships set off. If both ships set off when the moon is fully around the other side of the earth then there would be no difference in tides affecting either vessel. The text kind of contradicts itself by stating "all things equal" but there is then an assumption of tidal difference.

            It could be argued that if the moon is east of the Azores it is pulling on the earth's crust and causes a tide to travel eastward. As the moon passes over head of the two vessels from east to west, the pull of the moon then starts to pull westward and influences the motion of the westward bound vessel because of a tide now travelling in a westward direction. smiley

            Ed.

            #179201
            Neil Wyatt
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              @neilwyatt

              No tidal differences ED, its all just down to the earth's rotation.

              Also, the tides bulge both on the side opposite the moon and the far side*, that's why we have them twice a day!**

              Neil

              *I should know, having grown up in Barry with a tidal range of 49 feet.

              **Unless you live on the Solent.

              #179206
              Bob Brown 1
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                @bobbrown1

                Still twice a day on the Solent, it is more a longer duration of high tide and a shorter ebb tide period or as least that is how I see it.

                Bob

                #179211
                Neil Wyatt
                Moderator
                  @neilwyatt

                  Apparently it depends exactly where you are with double high tides at Calshot.

                  http://www.solentpedia.info/our_coastal_zone/waves_and_tides/

                  Neil

                  #179220
                  Bob Brown 1
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                    @bobbrown1

                    other side of the water

                    #179260
                    Neil Wyatt
                    Moderator
                      @neilwyatt

                      To be honest, with only ten foot of tide I'm surprised you can tell the difference!

                      Neil

                      #179262
                      Mark C
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                        @markc

                        Yep, not like us lads with a "proper" tide like we have up here on the Mersey and Dee

                        Mark

                        #179265
                        Neil Wyatt
                        Moderator
                          @neilwyatt

                          All of 2/3 of what we have in Barry

                          When I were a lad I used to sit on the dock of the bay and watch the tide roll away.

                          Neil

                          #179268
                          Mark C
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                            @markc

                            When I were a lad, I used to stay well away from the edge 'cos it used to feel like it was pulling me in! And in those days it was reckoned you would die of poisoning before you drowned – not a problem for you lads that grew up eating bread made from sea weed….

                            Mark

                            #181420
                            Chris Pattison 1
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                              @chrispattison1

                              The one that has not had its bottom scraped. Barnacles giving a major amount of friction. The cross-sectional area and hull length will also influence the speed. And of course the current flow, such as the Gulf Stream. Too many variables in my opinion.

                              #181435
                              Ian S C
                              Participant
                                @iansc

                                I think the one travelling east would have a problem with the coast, it's only 907ml to Lisbon. It's about 2300ml to America.

                                Ian S C

                                #181446
                                Neil Wyatt
                                Moderator
                                  @neilwyatt

                                  > Too many variables in my opinion.

                                  Hence 'all things being equal' – I don't expect anyone to go out with a spring balance and check the results!

                                  Neil

                                  #181452
                                  Gordon W
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                                    @gordonw

                                    This is starting to sound like the parting off theories. And don't forget quantum effects.

                                    #181458
                                    Neil Wyatt
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                                      @neilwyatt

                                      > 2300ml

                                      I thought there was more water in the Atlantic than that.

                                      Neil

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