New legislation that could affect us all.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Proposed new ISO Standards for 2020 are now out for consultation:

ISO 935-4527 – Procedures for the efficient loading of dishwashers.

ISO 953-4574c – Approved ordering of cutlery in horizontal storage units.

ISO 100-R011 – Orientation of lavatory paper in wall-mounted holders.

ISO 100-5E47 – Protocols for the placement of toilet seats and their covers after use.

There's also an EU directive expected on the replacement of lids on beverage storage vessels.

Neil

(edited for clarity and accuracy )

Edited By Neil Wyatt on 08/01/2020 11:08:20

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

[magpieParticipant @magpie]

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

Neil, it's not April 1st.

Brian

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

I worked in the plastics industry making various tooling for many molders and two came up as dangerous one was a bleach manufacture and with a new style of screw top, the polymer was changed from the original and it was later found that the lid became brittle with time, and split, not good for keeping the bottle sealed. The other was a blow moulding for a carbonised drink and the pressure exceeded the strength of the neck piece if the bottle was shaken or dropped, the end of the bottle snapped as the top was unscrewed and a young person actually lost the sight in one eye. I made a container for containing amputated limbs in operating theaters for disposal but that is another story. Just to say that not all standards are rubbish but some of them are a total wast of time.

David

[David ColwillParticipant @davidcolwill19261]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 08/01/2020 09:57:25:

Proposed new ISO Standards for 2020 are now out for consultation:

ISO 100-5E47 – Protocols for the placement of toilet seats and their covers.

I generally place these above the toilet. I did try putting one 5 feet to the left of the toilet but this led to a pretty awful smell and it had to be moved to the correct position.

Regards.

David.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

My thoughts are unpublishable

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

ISO 100-R011 – at last, something to make people do it the correct way. Which is, of course, paper feeding downwards from the wall side.

Edited By Grindstone Cowboy on 08/01/2020 10:42:38

[Bryan Cedar 1Participant @bryancedar1]

Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 08/01/2020 10:41:45:

ISO 100-R011 – at last, something to make people do it the correct way. Which is, of course, paper feeding downwards from the wall side.

Edited By Grindstone Cowboy on 08/01/2020 10:42:38

I disagree, always paper away from wall. It is easier to grasp it that way.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

I think it is all very inconvenient

[Harry WilkesParticipant @harrywilkes58467]

Neil given the likes of straight bananas etc your tongue in cheek post would not surprise me

H

[speelwerkParticipant @speelwerk]

There's also an EU directive expected on the replacement of lids on beverage storage vessels.

Neil

After 31ste of January the UK can bin all the EU directives. Niko.

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Posted by David Colwill on 08/01/2020 10:28:03:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 08/01/2020 09:57:25:

Proposed new ISO Standards for 2020 are now out for consultation:

ISO 100-5E47 – Protocols for the placement of toilet seats and their covers.

I generally place these above the toilet. I did try putting one 5 feet to the left of the toilet but this led to a pretty awful smell and it had to be moved to the correct position.

Regards.

David.

Hi David, they need to be a precision fit, i.e. they need to go onto the top of the bowl rim with the hinged part at the back. The accuracy of the x & y about the central position can be plus or minus a tad each way. Fitting it in this way, I find them to be extremely efficient and avoids much of the smell and stops you getting a bogy surface below when in use. It does help though, for the rim to be in a reasonable horizontal plain. Hope this helps.

Regards Nick.

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

Hahaha love it especially ISO 100-R011 – Orientation of lavatory paper in wall-mounted holders. loo roll indeed.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 08/01/2020 09:57:25:

Proposed new ISO Standards for 2020 are now out for consultation:

ISO 935-4527 – Procedures for the efficient loading of dishwashers.

ISO 953-4574c – Approved ordering of cutlery in horizontal storage units.

ISO 100-R011 – Orientation of lavatory paper in wall-mounted holders.

ISO 100-5E47 – Protocols for the placement of toilet seats and their covers after use.

There's also an EU directive expected on the replacement of lids on beverage storage vessels.

Neil

(edited for clarity and accuracy )

Edited By Neil Wyatt on 08/01/2020 11:08:20

You missed out ISO 100-d1rty – Protocols for always washing hands after using the toilet!

Edited By V8Eng on 08/01/2020 12:49:29

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Actually there probably are standards for handwashing somewhere. I've seen the instructions posted above surgeons' hand wash sinks outside operating theatres in hospitals I worked at. Specified number and direction of rubs with liquid soap etc and rinse duration and then elbows only used to close faucet.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Neil,

Your calendar is over advanced by nearly three months, by my reckoning!

If it was three hours, I would imagine that you had gone on holiday somewhere exotic.

Or are you just checking to see if we are awake?

Howard

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Bryan Cedar 1 on 08/01/2020 11:00:05:

Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 08/01/2020 10:41:45:

ISO 100-R011 – at last, something to make people do it the correct way. Which is, of course, paper feeding downwards from the wall side.

Edited By Grindstone Cowboy on 08/01/2020 10:42:38

I disagree, always paper away from wall. It is easier to grasp it that way.

Absolutely. It also mitigates risk of transfer of bacteria present on the wall.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Mick B1 on 08/01/2020 13:43:47:

I disagree, always paper away from wall. It is easier to grasp it that way.

I once heard the only logical reason I've noticed(as opposed to blind preference) for doing it one way or the other (in this case towards wall):

…. imagine that you have small kids.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

How then does this affect the industrial size roll with the axis of rotation at 90deg to the wall

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

There actually is a British Standard (yes British, nothing to do with EU or ISO) for making a cup of tea

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 08/01/2020 15:04:43:

Posted by Mick B1 on 08/01/2020 13:43:47:

I disagree, always paper away from wall. It is easier to grasp it that way.

I once heard the only logical reason I've noticed(as opposed to blind preference) for doing it one way or the other (in this case towards wall):

Or maybe preference for blind or partially sighted. Which would be a good reason to standardise many things.

regards Martin

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Journeyman on 08/01/2020 15:08:25:

How then does this affect the industrial size roll with the axis of rotation at 90deg to the wall

Ah, those have a special static charge on them that draws the free end back onto the roll so that the next user can't get hold…

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Posted by Nicholas Farr on 08/01/2020 12:29:14:

Posted by David Colwill on 08/01/2020 10:28:03:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 08/01/2020 09:57:25:

Proposed new ISO Standards for 2020 are now out for consultation:

ISO 100-5E47 – Protocols for the placement of toilet seats and their covers.

I generally place these above the toilet. I did try putting one 5 feet to the left of the toilet but this led to a pretty awful smell and it had to be moved to the correct position.

Regards.

David.

Hi David, they need to be a precision fit, i.e. they need to go onto the top of the bowl rim with the hinged part at the back. The accuracy of the x & y about the central position can be plus or minus a tad each way. Fitting it in this way, I find them to be extremely efficient and avoids much of the smell and stops you getting a bogy surface below when in use. It does help though, for the rim to be in a reasonable horizontal plain. Hope this helps.

Regards Nick.

In the days of wooden seats my grandfather (a carpenter) would have said that it all depended on the size of his bowler hat

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

From across the pond,over here if using the Johnny in a public store or such, Someone has decided to standardize the bottom of the paper holder around 18" from the floor, and right around 6" in front of the loo. It guarantees Your knee fouling it. Also puts the loo about 8" from the same wall.

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