
Bob Rodgerson
@bobrodgerson97362
I am considering purchasing a CNC milling machine with a view to light industrial use. I am reasonably conversant with AutoCad for which I have a licence. I have looked at all of the smaller machines on offer and am siding toward a Wabeco machine. Others I have considered are the Axminster and Arc Euro Seig machines. One option with the Wabeco machines is to buy them CNC ready and use controllers of your choice or to go with their own recommended software and controllers.
What I would like to know is which is considered the best option of both machine and software that I can integrate with AutCad?
I do not want to go down the second hand machine route preferring the guaranteed accuracy of a new machine.
Another thought I have had is, has anybody fitted a headstock with chuck to the table of a milling machine and used the X & Y axis to produce cmc turned parts?
I would also like to fit a CNC rotary table to the machine. Is this an easy option with the Wabeco machine?

Russ B
@russb
Some great information on here, thanks to everyone involved.
I think I'm going to hold out for Amadeal to get their metric sets back in stock (sub £140 delivered – same as Arc's £200+delivery set – most unlike ArcEuro to be beaten on price but so be it)

Russ B
@russb
Thanks Jason,
It is just metric I'm after, I have noticed they cost almost 50% more than an imperial set of similar sizes – although only ArcEuro seems to sell them as a (budget) set.
I've been on Steelmans website this morning, and after going around and around the net I landed on Rotagrip at around £30 a broach delivered (I'll take some of their metric 123 blocks too since they're so well priced) although their ebay customer service did tell me that they are out of stock and do not know how long resupply will take, so I suspect purchasing on their website will yield a similar result.
I need to key a 10mm hole with a 4mm key, and I'm not sure if this is even possible – Arc's set only goes down to a 12mm bush and it looks like that could be the limit without getting creative. – I will have to double check that size tonight.
Edited By Russ B on 25/03/2014 15:32:29

Russ B
@russb
I just wondered if anyone had purchased any of the Metric Keyway Broach Sets from Arc Euro Trade or could recommend anyone elses- I'm thinking of taking the plunge on their £200 set for cutting aluminium pulleys – and I might even try brass/steel depending on how it performs
Thanks to all in advance,
Russ

Russ B
@russb
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/03/2014 08:29:29:
Russ,
I've not found any useful views of the WMD20V, but am I right in assuming that the column assembly is similar to the "old X2" ? … as illustrated on page 3 of this.
MichaelG.
Eughh! no no no
– those tilting columns are a sin IMO, and I'd go as far as saying a discredit to Sieg's engineering ability – 1st hand experience sadly. The number of large components and castings required to achieve that is more than it would have taken to incorporate a swivel mechanism between items 49 and 63 on the link you send (spindle box, and spindle box base – or vertical saddle as I would call it)
The head rotates about an axis on a vertical saddle see page 45 here **LINK**
It's a much more substantial machine than the X2, its more of a match for the X3 – its a little lighter and little cheaper, but equally capable vs the X3 and many say more rigid and reliable – and better finished (hand scraped on all mating faces) which I can't comment on having never seen an X3 in the flesh.

Michael Gilligan
@michaelgilligan61133
Ben,
If you are happy with the idea of a sub-table; have a look at the C6 item on this page from Arc … it looks very adaptable.
MichaelG.

Michael Gilligan
@michaelgilligan61133
Russ,
I've not found any useful views of the WMD20V, but am I right in assuming that the column assembly is similar to the "old X2" ? … as illustrated on page 3 of this.
MichaelG.

_Paul_
@_paul_
Very nice, if you didn't want to manufacture the ER32 end mill holder I imagine you could integrate one of John Stevenson's end mill sharpening fixtures which already has suitable angles required for end mill sharpening.

Paul

Mark P.
@markp
Hi Ron, I have fitted the Arc Euro DRO's to my WM16 X and Y axis fairly straight forward fit.
Mark P.

Ron Vale
@ronvale24328
Visited Warco on Sat. Bit disappointed to se no 'special offers' on the mills. £50.00 off woud have been aclincher on the day
However seriously looking at the WM16 and also fiting DRO to it
Couple of Questions
1) Who has got one, and any probs to look for
2) who has fitted DRO to it
Any probs, mods needed
3) which DRO should i go for, i hear ARC Euro are pretty good
Thanks in advance

Les Jones 1
@lesjones1
I think articles that are too specific should be avoided. For example I have recently fitted a tumbler reverse to my Chester DB10G lathe. This would not be suitable as it would only be applicable to to this particular lathe. (Not even other Seig C6 variants.) Articles like the die casting of tank tracks and Neil's article on screw cutting although dealing with a specific example are applicable more generally. I Have used his idea of the 63 tooth gear on my DB10G lathe. (I even managed to use the one ArcEuro sell.) I think Neil could do a follow up article to help people with lathes with a gearbox between the change wheels and the leadscrew. Neil's article made me start working out how many more useful thread pitches I could cut. Being lazy I found a program to work out all the available ratios I could get with the change wheels I had. To take into account the gearbox made me think about multiplying the real leadscrew pitch by the gearbox ratios. This then gives a set of effective leadscrew pitch values which I then fed into the program. I think getting people to think about how to do things is a good aim of articles. I think this is shown by the number of times questions are asked about screw cutting a thread that is not listed on the chart supplied with the lathe.
Les.
Edited By Les Jones 1 on 10/03/2014 10:19:13

Danny M2Z
@dannym2z
G'day.
Not about Chronos (of which I know nothing) but I just had a email from ARC Eurotrade informing me that the angular contact bearings for my minilathe that I enquired about a few months ago are now in stock.
Now that's the way to do business, keep the customer informed. (The price is alright too btw).
Regards * Danny *

Les Jones 1
@lesjones1
Hi Ady,
I have drilled 2.5 mm holes in the back of the slider assembly on calipers using Arceuro's cobalt drills (I bought tapping size drills from this range.) and tapped them with a normal HSS tap. There may be a variation in the hardness of calipers from different manufacturers.
Hi Michael,
I have a set of the carbon composite calipers and I agree with Keith's comments. The only think I would add is that the data from the data port gives 0.01 mm resolution when connected to a remote display. (For example a DRO350 or my interface to "Yuriy's Android DRO.)
I have seen stainless calipers on sale recently in Aldi. These use the 1.5 volt button cells. I notice Lidl have the version that uses a 3 volt lithium cell on sale for £8.99 on the 13th of this month. I think the battery life is better on the lithium cell versions.
Les.
Edited By Les Jones 1 on 08/03/2014 14:54:01

KWIL
@kwil
ArcEuroTrade is a good source.

Andy Collins
@andycollins85655
Hi, I'm new to this forum- having only discovered it's existence by accident on a Google search! I have had a break for 5 years or so from MEW type activities, having previously been a subscriber to MEW. I've today bought a mill from Arceurotrade and am getting interested again!
On my iPad this week, I found an option to 'subscribe' to MEW, which I did. However, I do not have a subscriber number, and having read the magazine, discover that I may have missed out on freebies if I had subscribed in the conventional way.
Is the iPad 'newsstand' subscription equivalent to a conventional subscription? If so, can I get a subscriber number, and have I missed out on freebies?
Thanks,
Andy (feeling I might have missed out!)

Les Jones 1
@lesjones1
I bought one of these sets of drills a few years ago and found them very good. (But not as good as Arceuro's cobalt drills.) I have just bought another set and hope that they are the same quality. The box that they come in is also quite nice.
Les.

John Stevenson 1
@johnstevenson1
ARC offers some screw in tanks for items that don't have them.
On this page.
**LINK**

Just drill and tap the ends of things that don't have a tang

doubletop
@doubletop
Rob
I occasionally get odds and ends locally but without wishing to knock the local guys the market is too small here to support a major supplier. I order direct from the UK, in no particular order. Reeves, ARC Euro, Polly Model, RGD, Blackgates, BA Bolts etc and at times have had stuff delivered quicker and cheaper than from there, including the postage. As Ian says Little Metal Co for sheet cut to size, as Mico will only sell full sheets.
Ullirich for Aluminum, Atlas Specialty metals for stainless, some brass, Steel and tube for steel. Kendalls for silver solder, flux etc Look up your local engineering company and go and talk to them. Everyone I've approached have been more than accommodating and will sell short lengths by weight. Some of the smaller scrap dealers will still allow a bit of a rummage for useful items.
Tooling try CTC in Hong Kong, but I've now started using Alibaba and going direct to Chinese suppliers (e.g. ER32 collets US$2 each, with shipping US$5, whereas locally they want NZ$35) Shipping is always the hard part when going direct to China but still cheaper, even if you go over the threshold for GST and have to pay.
Pete
PS Where are you? one of us may be local to you.
Edited By Doubletop on 04/03/2014 10:01:42
Edited By Doubletop on 04/03/2014 10:02:50

GoCreate
@gocreate
Found this For your information
Maybe to slow and physically demanding but any millage in dressing the aluminium edge using a A300 grit diamond stone.
Nigel

Russ B
@russb
Posted by Niloch on 23/02/2014 22:38:46:
Maybe you would consider this Milwaukee version available from many British stockists:
That one is purely hand held I think, and it's cutting capacity is only 1.6"² as opposed to 3" x 4", I'm really looking for something benchtop size not handheld but that's the same format.
Chris, slightly smaller although only £160 – postage will be the deal breaker no doubt (and maybe so from Warco?). **LINK**
Chronos aka "ClarkeTooling.co.uk" have the 4.5×6 for £270 including delivery but it certainly sounds like the VAT free weekend is a winner if you can grab one there and then
have you checked all the usual as well as Warco… RDGtools, Chronos, Chester, Axminsterm, Amadeal, Amazon, ArcEuro (did I miss anyone?)
also worth checking TruCut for future blades if you've not heard of them (or just replace it straight away if your like me
) **LINK**
Edited By Russ B on 24/02/2014 10:13:19

JasonB
@jasonb
ARC show how to strip the whole lathe here including the bits with the gears, time will really depend on how able you are and if you have the tools for the job.

David Lawrence 2
@davidlawrence2
Hi all, Just been machining a chuck backplate on my mini lathe, light cuts, the tool dug in into what i think is a stanless steel backplate, big noise and screms from the head stock. I think i must have stripped some gears as the backplate bearly rotates now. I see on the Arc euro site they sell all sorts of gears for these small latrhes. Question is has anybody had to replace some of these gears and how to do it. is it a 2 hour job or 2 days, thanks for looking

Neil Wyatt
@neilwyatt
Hi Danny,
As Graham's photograph shows, the fundamental issue is that the column bracket is fixed by three screws that are almost in a straight line. This is compounded byy teh mating surfaces being poorly finished,
I greatly improved my X2 by scraping the joint surfaces to get amuch bigger contact patch (I also corrected a slight lean in the column this way – it was along slow job that turned my fingers, if not the air, blue).
I also fitted a triangular stiffening plate of 4mm steel between the column swivel bolt and two M12 screws and spacers at the rear corners of the base casting.
The improvement in surface finish and rigidity was noticeable and further imprved by fitting roller bearings and belt drive.
I wrote these modifications up in (I think) MEW issue 199.
I'd stress that the newer versions of the X2 with a non-tilt column don't suffer this fault. As mentioned earlier, a conversion kit for the old X2 is available from Arc Euro.
Neil

JasonB
@jasonb
I'm 99% sure you could get those from ARC they do them for the SX2P which I think uses the same bits, e-mail them and to check.
J