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    Martin Shaw 1
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      #295788
      Martin Shaw 1
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        @martinshaw1

        Morning all.

        I would appreciate some advice. I have just acquired a mill, a Sieg SX2P from Arc, which I am very pleased with. It needed a bit of cleaning and setting up, but otherwise will do all I need.

        Back in the old days you had slot drills and end mills which were different animals. It now seems that you can get 2, 3, or 4 flute cutters that will both end mill and plunge. Broadly I suppose the mor flutes the greater the feed rate, but other than that what would the knowledgeable amongst you recommend?

        I am working mainly in brass/bronze, with a bit of mild steel.

        Regards

        Martin

        #295794
        Emgee
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          @emgee

          Hi Martin

          If you are used to using 2f slot drills and 4f milling cutters stick with what you know, as said some will plunge cut and sometimes 3f is better than 2. Nowadays there are also many makes and types of carbide tools available, some may be usefulf for steel but I believe you will obtain satisfactory results with HSS on brass and bronze.

          Emgee

          #295801
          Ketan Swali
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            @ketanswali79440

            Martin,

            For brass/bronze, ideally – 2 flute – uncoated – higher helix HSS similar to these.

            If you are experimenting, you could use the cheap and cherful coated/uncoated, and see how you get on with finish.

            For mild steel, 2, 3, 4 flute all will work.. resulting in different finishes.

            Ketan at ARC.

             

             

            Edited By Ketan Swali on 01/05/2017 12:30:46

            #295804
            duncan webster 1
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              @duncanwebster1

              If you actually want a slot the same size as the cutter you need 2 flutes. The reason is that the cutter is deflected sideways by the cutting force, not by much. When the tooth is at the end of the slot, the deflection pushes the cutter into the side of the slot and makes it wider. With 2 teeth, only one is cutting at any time, so it doesn't make the slot wider.

              Otherwise more flutes is better, and I'd have a try with ripper cutters, finish isn't as good, but by jove they shift metal

              **LINK**

              #295840
              Martin Shaw 1
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                @martinshaw1

                Gentlemen

                Thanks very much for your ideas. I'm not particularly wedded to any approach, it's just that my thinking is from an earlier era and not having worked professionally with machine tools I am not up to date. I had some Clarkson 1/4" 3 flute cutters and did a small job yesterday that is perfectly satisfactory, but then I'm only taking 0.5mm cuts, whilst I find out what the machine is capable of.

                Ketan

                I see your recommendation only goes down to 6mm, what would you recommend for a 3mm cutter, that doesn't need to plunge.

                Regards

                Martin

                #295848
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Upto 6mm I tend to use the FC-3 cutters which are 3 flute and quite reasonably priced when on offer from the likes of MSC, 3mm would be about £4.50 uncoated.

                  Once you get over 6mm Ketan's Premium HSS start to become the better buy. I do find the long series ali ones can chatter a bit though in the 6mm size.

                  #295923
                  Ketan Swali
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                    @ketanswali79440

                    Hi Martin,

                    JasonB's suggestion is good for smaller sizes. You could also try other suppliers who offer uncoated HSS end mills for the purpose of milling brass or bronze. possibly Cutwel Ltd., for example.

                    For experimentation, you could try the cheaper HSS TiN Coated range **LINK** unfortunately out of stock or

                    a little more expensive TiAln coated range **LINK** Both types will be okay for milling across the range of materials, even though the uncoated type are more correct for your purpose.

                    Ketan at ARC.

                    #295924
                    MW
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                      @mw27036

                      Might not be totally relevant to milling cutters but as others have said, you do have to pay attention to the type of cutter you use for different materials. Harder does not always mean better, it quite often gives a poor finish on those softer materials

                      The ARC polished aluminium grade carbide tips, sold alongside the sumimoto tools, absolutely fantastic for plastics, use the steel grade one and the finish is understandably poorer.

                      Michael W

                      Edited By Michael-w on 01/05/2017 22:21:33

                      #295976
                      Martin Shaw 1
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                        @martinshaw1

                        Thanks to you all for your helpful suggestions, much to ponder on and consider.

                        Regards

                        Martin

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