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    Roy Birch
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      @roybirch29994

      Hello All

      I am refurbishing a New Zealand prairie w class 5 gauge steam locomotive, someone has stripped all of the top off and left the frame and motion intact. The most noticeable thing is that when it was built it received a coat of Matt black paint straight onto the steel, Brass and copper parts, this has now started to de laminate everywhere so I have decided to update the paintwork, I have the following questions,

      1. Does anyone have a good method for hand painting a lot of the loco without having to strip it down to the bare frames, it would appear that this loco is roughly related to Firefly, outside of this there was no information that came with the bundle of parts.

      2. Does one need to use the paint from the specialist loco paint suppliers or will other coach enamels work? I have found a company selling tekaloid coach enamel that is a lot cheaperthan the price of the special paint suppliers, there may be a reason for that.

      3 Can I use grey enamel coach paint primer straight onto the steel or does it have to be an etch primer.

      I apologise if this is not the place to post this, if so could anyone tell me where I might find the answers

       

      regards

       

      Roy

      #850323
      Julie Ann
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        @julieann

        I use the coach enamels from CraftMaster up the road in Over. For steel and cast iron I use their anti-corrosion grey primer and for brass/copper their etch primer.

        It would be fair to say that the coach enamels are not the easiest paints to use.

        Julie

        #850330
        Weary
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          @weary

          Hello Roy,

          To take your questions in order:

          1) In brief: No. But, you can of course touch-in and paint areas of the loco, cleaning off any residual oil etc., and maybe rubbing-down first to smooth edges of existing paint where there is paint chipped-off and using appropriate primers.

          You may not achieve an ‘exhibition’ finish with this method but if it is acceptable to you … then, go for-it.  As the loco is black overall (?) you already have an advantage, but if it is gloss then you have a problem!

          2) No, as Julie writes above, coach enamels will be good.

          3) Yes.  You will need etch primer for non-ferrous surfaces tho’.

           

          More widely I suggest that you also post your question in the ‘General’ section of Model Engineering Clearing House.  There are a few members in NZ, and more in Aus’ who may be able to assist you with local suppliers etc.  In addition there is a broad base of locomotive experience, and Christopher Vine, the author of the excellent book “How Not to Paint a Locomotive’, is an active member; if he sees your post and feels that he can contribute then he will do-so.

          Regards,

          Phil

          #850339
          duncan webster 1
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            @duncanwebster1

            50 years ago I painted a motorbike with tekaloid. Came out fine

            #850346
            Dave Wootton
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              @davewootton

              Unfortunately the Tekaloid sold now is not the same product that was sold a few years ago, I used it regularly in the 80’s for motorbikes and it gave a fantastic finish, any brush marks settled out to leave a glossy smooth coating. The firm was bought out some time ago and the formula changed, last time I bought some it left a very disappointing finish and I asked on an old bike forum which prompted a large number of replies from people feeling the same. Evidently changed for environmental reasons. I use Paragon/Craftmaster now but miss the old Tekaloid, as Duncan says it was superb and extremely durable.

              As well as Chris Vines excellent book if you can get a copy of The Vintage Motorcyclists Workshop by Radco, out of print but at one time was available free online it has an excellent section on brush painting. By following his instructions even I could get a very acceptable finish!

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