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    Robert Atkinson 2
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      @robertatkinson2

      My subscription (digital) is due for renewal soon. I’ve had some emails about it from Mortons. This indicated it was going to cost me £56 to renew by debit card. This was a surprise because there was an advert in the magazine saying consideraly less. I queried this. After a couple of weeks I got a  reply it was a print price. Why send a print renewal price to a digital subscriber?
      The other question is why is a debit card payment (digital only 12 months) costs £41 and a direct debit £37? I know that its probably because you are less likely to fail to renew a DD and a card payment costs more for the vendor.

      However As far a I can tell this is illegal under THE CONSUMER RIGHTS (PAYMENT SURCHARGES) REGULATIONS 2012.
      See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5b2d09bae5274a55bb5790cb/payment-surcharges-guidance-update.pdf

      What do others think.

       

      #825061
      bernard towers
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        @bernardtowers37738

        They will try anything just hoping there isn’t someone like you to spot it

        #825062
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          I think the first part of the summary is where you are getting it wrong Robert.

          They are not applying a “hidden” surcharge. They are advertising a different price so you know what you are paying.

          fee

          #825072
          Robert Atkinson 2
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            @robertatkinson2

            The only difference beween the two items is the means of payment. So it’s a surcharge. Saying Direct debit is discounted isn’t a way out. The law says the consumer should pay the same regardless of the means of payment. They started out with a law that they could not charge more than the fees incurred but the retailers still over charged so it was banned completly.
            The situation is explictily covered by the guidance. They can charge more for monthly ratha than annual but not for differernt paynment means:

            13.4 Some sectors may offer discounts on the basis of payment in instalments or one-off
            payments. Such discounts would not fall within the scope of the prohibition to the
            extent that they do not create an effective surcharge on a particular means of payment.
            For example, it would be acceptable for a monthly magazine subscription to cost more
            over a year if paid for by monthly payments rather than a single annual payment, but
            any difference in such monthly payments on the basis of the payment method used
            would need to comply with the criteria described above.

            Robert.

            #825077
            Nicholas Farr
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              @nicholasfarr14254

              Hi Robert, a single issue in print and digital is the same price, all other prices in both are discounted prices of the single issue price. However, digital prices don’t incur printing costs by a third party, so should cost less than a printed copy. That’s the way I see it, but I might be wrong,

              Regards Nick.

              #825094
              Diogenes
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                @diogenes

                Are we quibbling over whether it’s worth 1.1p per day for our own choice to not have a DD?

                #825101
                Robert Atkinson 2
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                  @robertatkinson2

                  Nick,
                  The issue isn’t the difference between print and digital it’s between paying by direct debit or card (debit or credit, Mortons seem to use paypal).

                  Diogenes,
                  That reply is manipulation by statistics 🙂 It’s 33p an issue or 10.8 %. PayPal charge less than 3% That adds up over thousands of subscrptions. The point is that it is illegal.
                  Just to be clear I have renewed my subscription at the card rate.

                  Robert.

                  #825114
                  Nicholas Farr
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                    @nicholasfarr14254

                    Hi Robert, well I cannot answer your question, and all I can say is if you have a concern, report it to the appropriate authority, or Rip Off Britain, maybe, but in the “About this guidance” it says; (please note that the site displays the Regulations as originally made and does not include amendments made since then).

                    Regards Nick.

                    #825120
                    noel shelley
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                      @noelshelley55608

                      It has been so for many years, like Robert I don’t like it either ! As A loyal and not always happy reader of over 30 years I remember the ” free ” gifts offered to NEW subscribers but not to renewals, you can guess what I did every year ! I have spoke to the various publishers , but never got anywhere, my only choice was to let my sub lapse.

                      Side slip ! The paper quality now used is unsuitable for colour printing – Look at the pictures of MMEX 25 in 4771-why bother with a good camera. Ah well. Noel.

                      #825121
                      JohnF
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                        @johnf59703

                        I believe Robert is correct — there should be no disparity in price regardless of payment method.

                        A question about digital subscription — if you use this does it give you access to only those published forwards of your digital subs date or do you have full access to all the historical digital copies ?

                        John

                        #825123
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          You get all MEW and ME back to about 2000 for the duration of your digital subscription.

                          #825167
                          Robert Atkinson 2
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                            @robertatkinson2
                            On Nicholas Farr Said:

                            Hi Robert, well I cannot answer your question, and all I can say is if you have a concern, report it to the appropriate authority, or Rip Off Britain, maybe, but in the “About this guidance” it says; (please note that the site displays the Regulations as originally made and does not include amendments made since then).

                            Regards Nick.

                            Hi Nick,

                            It also says the guidance is based on the current version. The legislation website allows you to see the latest version at the click of a button:
                            https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/3110

                            In the end only a court can make the determination but it certainly breaks the intent of the law if not the letter. I’m not a lawer but I am trained and authorised to interpret technical legislation.

                            Robert.

                            #825175
                            JasonB
                            Moderator
                              @jasonb

                              Seems several publishers including the one that owns Mortons apply the same pricing policy so I would have thought they have a legal team and know what they are doing.

                              #826495
                              Robert Atkinson 2
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                                @robertatkinson2

                                Still no response from Mortons. I gave them a nudge today.

                                #826498
                                bernard towers
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                                  @bernardtowers37738

                                  I have to agree with Noel about the print quality for images I do far better than that at home with a c**p printer

                                  #826552
                                  jimmy b
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                                    @jimmyb

                                    This is one of the reasons why I stopped my sub and switched to Readly for £12.99 a month, win win for me!

                                     

                                    Jimb

                                    #826590
                                    Colin Bishop 2
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                                      @colinbishop2

                                      Side slip ! The paper quality now used is unsuitable for colour printing – Look at the pictures of MMEX 25 in 4771-why bother with a good camera. Ah well. Noel.

                                      It is the same with Model Boats – poor quality paper.

                                       

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